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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by tsimionescu »

crazygringo wrote: post #527
tsimionescu wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, a quick call is not a courteous first step when someone tells you that you've destroyed 20 years of their work and they no longer want to have anything to do with you. Suggesting that such an offence can be resolved by a "quick call" is extraordinarily disrespectful. A courteous first step would have been to apologise profusely, revert the damage that the bot did, and ask to set up a call to discuss what it might…

This is NOT the leader of the new transition tool! This is just a customer service manager in Indonesia who is trying to gather more information. The steps that you describe might well be taken after the "quick call" gathers more information and figures out the people to escalate it to. You are being entirely unreasonable in what you are demanding. This isn't a response from the Mozilla CEO. This is sometime in custo…

If she doesn't have responsibility for this, she just shouldn't respond. The transition team should have responded. Or, she could have responded with "I'm contacting the transition team leader to escalate your issues as soon as possible" or similar. There is absolutely no excuse for responding to someone who has announced that they are quitting over very explicit grievances with "let's hop on a call to get some details". If ever there is a time to escalate, it is this.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by surajrmal »

denkmoon wrote: post #250

Ladybird and other browser alternatives cannot come fast enough. Every other week we've got a thread here about some stupid move Mozilla have made, I can't remember the last time I heard positive news about Mozilla.

If ladybird becomes popular, it will see a similar segment of detractors as well. No product can appeal to everyone. This is why you need multiple options for different segments.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ecshafer »

OvbiousError wrote: post #436
denkmoon wrote: post #250

Ladybird and other browser alternatives cannot come fast enough. Every other week we've got a thread here about some stupid move Mozilla have made, I can't remember the last time I heard positive news about Mozilla.

There is a very loud part of HN that strongly dislikes mozilla/firefox. It's disproportionate imo, I don't understand why they're singled out so often.

They fired the inventor of Javascript as their CEO. They hired some grifter as their CEO who just keeps giving themselves more money. They keep throwing money at vanity side hustles. They purposefully confuse the Mozilla foundation with the browser, and have increasingly made the foundation redirect their funds to C level salaries and their own personal political passion projects that are not aligned with the Mozilla Firefox project. If there were actually focusing on being the best browser and web privacy, it would be good. But they aren't.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by skrebbel »

jacquesm wrote: post #535
skrebbel wrote: post #260

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AI wouldnt misspell “truly”. It’s a human.

Two observations: You are probably right. But if a random spelling error would allow a person to get away with using AI in professional communications then you can expect that pattern to show up all over the place. I'm trying to imagine the prompt here. "Hey, ChatGPT, it looks like our org fucked up and now a hotheaded volunteer makes us look like idiots. Please generate a flippant response that pretends to show we c…

I so deeply hope that a prompt like that was used here.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by esmevane »

kstenerud wrote: post #369

I know that everyone has already given their opinions about what kinds of people are involved and their motivations, but this is really about two fallible humans, one listing grievances and another asking to open a communication channel. That's it. Anything else you read into this is going to be fraught with your own coloring based on a hundred words written in text (a notoriously difficult medium to establish emotio…

The OP quit, publicly, and the response (and your post) miss that entirely. They aren't interested in a personal chat, and they aren't inviting anyone to help them process their feelings. They've left, and told everyone why.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by davidclark »

mkagenius wrote: post #118
davidclark wrote: post #38

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My guess would be the anger comes from implication that is a possible solution at all. This type of “hop on a call” request is not usually actually designed to “truly understand what you're struggling with.” (words from the post) Instead it is usually a PR tactic. The goal of the call requester is to get your acquiescence. Most people are less likely to be confrontational and stand up for themselves when presented wi…

Are we reading too much into one sentence? HN comments dese days

What about the reply in the link indicates to you that the person has empathy for marsf’s complaints and is willing to change anything at Mozilla in response to them?

For the reasons I stated above, the response comes off as faking understanding to manage a PR issue rather than genuine empathy and possible negotiation, but I am often wrong about many things.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by adolph »

File under “nominative determinism”

Google “sumobot;” ai summary says:

  A sumobot is a robot designed to push an opponent out of a circular arena, similar to human sumo wrestling.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by Devasta »

crazygringo wrote: post #539
tbrake wrote: post #480

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Reframing someone's disagreement as them "struggling with something" is incredibly patronizing and condescending and dirty conversational pool.

No it's not. It's a validation of the fact that something is so frustrating they are quitting over it. The idea that it is patronizing or condescending makes zero sense to me. It's a factual description.

Its framing the issue as something that should be fixed by a change in the mentality of Marsf, not by rolling back the changes.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by skrebbel »

reddalo wrote: post #507
skrebbel wrote: post #253

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Why? You’re referring to tue club that makes Immich, right? What’s so bad about them?

I also love Immich, but it seems like there's some controversy about FUTO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45666239

Appreciate the response. I read the Devault rant. It’s not clear to me that the guy behind FUTO is actively evil, seems more like he’s trying his best and still figuring that whole “being a semi public figure funding stuff” thing out.

Drew’s position that interacting with people with bad opinions makes you evil by association doesn’t strike me as mainstream (or future-proof for that matter).

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