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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by afavour »

vitus wrote: post #333
afavour wrote: post #310

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The Republican Party on the other hand is very much in favor of the free market… or was. Many long time Republicans turned on a dime and deserve to be called out on it.

They were in favor of the free market from Reagan onwards. But the party was founded on the premise that tariffs would protect their northern constituents and industries, and they took over a century to shake that tendency. Perhaps the only Republican president before Reagan who was in favor of lowering tariffs was Eisenhower, as part of rebuilding globally after WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff http…

> They were in favor of the free market from Reagan onwards.

Which is the relevant part. I’m not really concerned with historical positions of the party itself so much as the politicians themselves, none of whom were alive a century ago.

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Post by tzs »

Mystery-Machine wrote: post #318

Odd how sentiment about Elon Musk changed rapidly... Some HN users pointed out in the comments here that not even Teslas reach 85%. Is the article wrong? Interesting that everyone is talking about favoriting, but no one talks the anti-favoriting of Tesla during the Biden administration. Tesla wasn't invited to any EV conference that was organized by the previous admin. They are the biggest EV factory in the US yet so…

One of those was to promote EVs built with union labor. They only invited the companies with the largest union workforces.

The other EV meetings organized by the Biden administration were all specifically about EVs in the context of specific legislation the administration was proposing, and they only invited companies that were supporting that legislation.

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Post by Qwertious »

leereeves wrote: post #256
AlotOfReading wrote: post #251

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Fuzzy in the sense of "you need a bunch of experts and lawyers to sit down to determine what the correct answer for the government is in any specific situation". The work is exceedingly tedious and expensive. I was involved in similar efforts to remove Chinese parts from the supply chain during the previous Trump administration. It was a nightmare that involved dozens of people reviewing tens of thousands of parts ac…

> Probably nigh-impossible for some OEMs. Impossible meaning the parts aren't yet manufactured in the US, or that they can't be for some reason?

Whether some parts could be manufactured in the US is irrelevant, when you give 3 days' notice instead of 3 years. You simply can't build a factory in 3 days, let alone train up the required personnel and set up an entire local supply chain.

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Post by DFHippie »

somenameforme wrote: post #352
galangalalgol wrote: post #327

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Letting the politically connected company buy a presidential advertisement on the Whitehouse lawn is unusual, so is letting it exfiltrate nlrb data when facing cases from the nlrb. But most importantly it isn't usual to not bother hiding the corruption. That normalizes it which is even more damaging. This corruption makes the worst corruption in the history of the nation look like a traffic violation.

The problem is that people have become so divided that the smallest of offenses by 'the other side' is blown up into the most egregious act since the birth of man, and the worst of offenses 'by our side' is turned into the smallest of issues, a technicality, perhaps not even especially real. This is why you might think that isn't usual to not bother hiding the corruption, because I assure you most on "the other side"…

The two women arguing before Solomon over which was the true mother of the baby each claimed the other was lying. One of them was actually the mother.

That both sides believe the other lies does not mean that both sides lie.

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Post by lazide »

_heimdall wrote: post #553
lazide wrote: post #425

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These all have potential mines in the US. They’re currently shuttered however, because of cost, because China is cheaper and has been for a long time.

That will be a rude awakening for a lot of people if we have to start mining that heavily here. We were able to have our cake and eat it too as long as we could talk green while outsourcing our environmental damage due to mining overseas.

Yup. It’s already going to be a rude awakening once tariffs work their way out to retail prices.

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Post by DrillShopper »

varjag wrote: post #561
parthdesai wrote: post #542

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I thought "lobbying" is already a household word :)

I don't think lobbying implies your rep having a bedroom in White House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Bedroom_for_contributo...

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Post by Qwertious »

gadders wrote: post #526
protocolture wrote: post #331

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American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

>>American labor is low quality and high cost. American Labor will never be cheaper than virtual slave labor.

There are more than those two categories - for example, Europe exists. So does Canada.

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Post by supplied_demand »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #218
kristopolous wrote: post #185

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It was always about power accumulation. Integrity, honesty, and principles is literally what they mean by the word "woke" when they harass people for being it.

> Integrity, honesty, and principles is literally what they mean by the word "woke" No it isn't, and saying things like this just adds noise. What they mean by the word "woke" is a worldview that delegitimises the things they aspire to or worked hard for (status based on power based on individual agency), and prioritises other forms of social currency (victimisation by external forces) in a way they find performative…

The people who go on about “woke” are the most performative victims of all. Invoking the word “woke” for things they don’t like is a form of that performative victimization.

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Post by Qwertious »

Aurornis wrote: post #283
leereeves wrote: post #238

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That's pure speculation, but quite possible. Corruption is nothing new in Washington. The real question is whether people support bringing auto manufacturing back to America. As always, people who like the policy/candidate/official will overlook the corruption, while people who dislike the policy/candidate/official complain about it. The people who demanded evidence about Biden will accept speculation about Trump, ju…

> Corruption is nothing new in Washington. This is not business as usual, no matter how much this administration tries to pretend it is. Regardless, that wouldn’t make it okay. It’s weird to claim that it’s normal. > The real question is… No, that’s a separate question. Not the “real” question. The current tariff drama is widely regarded to be temporary because it’s so economically damaging that Trump’s successor (of…

>The current tariff drama is widely regarded to be temporary

It was also widely regarded to obviously not happen before it happened, despite Trump's explicit statements that it would happen and also his past tariffs from his first term.

Frankly, who gives a damn what's widely regarded?

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