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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by ghaff »

curiousllama wrote: post #481
throw4847285 wrote: post #444

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Just in response to your second point, I do think that's specific to you and your circles. I know multiple retired or semi-retired people who have moved towards the center of a city. Without work to keep them occupied, they want the hustle and bustle, which means something to do. And driving has become more of a hassle and a barrier to the kinds of lives they want to live. These are east coast or midwest cities, so m…

Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

It's very variable. There's also a lot of inertia once people are established in the suburbs/exurbs. I know some examples but I don't actually know a ton of cases of people moving into the city upon retirement.

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Post by paxys »

acedTrex wrote: post #501
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

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I can even see people going to SpaceX or xAI attracted by the kind of work they do, but Twitter? The company needs no unique skills. If you are good enough to work there, you can work at a hundred other well paying companies in very similar frontend/backend/infrastructure engineering roles.

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Post by fragmede »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #569
timeon wrote: post #302

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> suburbia-type city Isn't this oxymoron? Isn't city the `urbia`?

No, cities are not only the super dense large cities. Smaller cities exist too, and are comparable to the suburbs of large cities in their feel.

No, those are called towns, because they're not actually cities if they don't have the density to support city-grade amenities.

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Post by saagarjha »

runarberg wrote: post #454
doctorpangloss wrote: post #381

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> Even commuting within sf can be kind of a pain it took our folks 50 minutes from both areas in the mission and Menlo Park to get to an office in South Park. This is not to impunge on your credibility, but it takes me 16 minutes to get from my door in 21st and Valencia to the door at 313 Brandan next to South Park. This touches on some positive trends in San Francisco: of course, I e-bike, so I can get anywhere pret…

Yeah, I’m not buying it either, I did a quick google map survey and it seems that commute times goes between 20-40 minutes between the Mission and South Park, depending on where in the Mission you start. In all cases biking is around 20 minutes. Meanwhile only the trainride station to station between Menlo Park and SF is 45 minutes minimum (6 stops), assuming some commute time to the Menlo Park station and a 10 min w…

If you have a bike Menlo Park is close enough to the Palo Alto station that it might save you a few minutes to catch the Baby Bullet from there, which only stops three times.

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Post by sleepybrett »

janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

I mean reason #1 is probably that they are getting evicted right? Didn't elon stop paying rent?

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Post by zamfi »

saagarjha wrote: post #564
weitendorf wrote: post #509

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> If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a hard time imagine that they'd enjoy commuting via BART or Caltrain for more than an hour every day. IME this is definitely true and…

Google has offices in San Francisco but it also has offices in South San Francisco, San Bruno, Redwood City, Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, and San Jose. And probably some other cities I forgot. The "reason" Google has an office anywhere has to do more with "why not" rather than anything else.

Acquisitions.

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Post by dayvid »

hintymad wrote: post #557
jacobolus wrote: post #552

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Cities are far more kid-friendly than suburbs, especially for kids from age ~9–18. Everything is walkable or can be reached by transit, many more amenities and activities are accessible, kids are dramatically less dependent on parents or other caretakers to constantly chaperone them, and there are a wider variety of other kids around with many niche interests. Some kids' parents irrationally believe cities will be ba…

> For the kids themselves, cities are wonderful and suburbs are often a kind of prison I grew up in a mega city and I agree that cities are wonderful for kids, at least they were wonderful for me and my friends. I'd venture to guess that kids don't care. Cities or not, the world is just so much fun and exciting. I don't know if suburbs are prisons for kids, though. My kids love suburbs, and they also love cities when…

Suburbs can be prisons if there’s not enough people your age around you. I lived in semi-suburbs and had friends I’d walk to after school. Makes it more fun than having to organize car dates until someone gets a car. But nowadays kids are so supervised I don’t know if they hang outside anymore

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

pjerem wrote: post #75
anonzzzies wrote: post #52

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It is the same thing. Not political, but as far as I know the previous guy didn't whine as much about free speech while not being free speech as the current guy.

Also free speech in law just means you can’t be prosecuted to say stupid things. It doesn’t mean that anyone owes you the canal to say your stupid things. The previous twitter had (somehow) moderation. You would think what you want about it but you were free to use your free speech right elsewhere. The difference is that Musk says that it gives you this canal but he lies because he is still moderating the network, ex…

Free speech is both an ideal, and something which is guaranteed by law (in some countries anyways). As a matter of law, you're correct. If you aren't prosecuted for your speech, then the law of free speech wasn't violated. But extralegal actions can still be (and often are) contrary to the ideal of free speech and are criticized on that basis. It is common, but erroneous, to conflate these two senses of "free speech".

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Post by sleepybrett »

chairmansteve wrote: post #386
brookst wrote: post #201

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There’s how much the company can take, and how much Elon thinks the company can take. He subscribes to the ubermensch view, where him and maybe two other superior specimens of manhood could single handedly run the entire company.

"where him and maybe two other superior specimens of manhood could single handedly run the entire company" - while driving their manly cyber trucks.

Correction: "While their manly cybertrucks drive them"
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