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Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by epistasis »

patryn20 wrote: post #212
TexanFeller wrote: post #15

I want an EV to be more reliable and save me more money in the long run. EVs start out ~10k more than the Corolla most people should buying. They then compromise the long term reliability and maintenance cost with high tech gee whiz features. I’d sooner have manual roll up windows than touch screen controlled air vents. When you integrate sensors and software controls into every little thing, we know those things wil…

Seriously. Just give me a NORMAL car with a modern electric drivetrain and I’ll be happy. I have my 4Runner for longer trips and “electric grid down because Texas is a 3rd world island in a 1st world country” situations. These electric cars are going for full gimmickry and just look like a giant long term ownership nightmare. Built to be disposable status symbols for your average American trying to appear wealthier t…

One minor comment, but if the electric grid is down, then it's likely you won't be able to pump gas either. At least, most gas stations have not planned to be functional without electricity.

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Post by jussij »

ghiculescu wrote: post #463
jussij wrote: post #460

In 2023, Australian full battery electric vehicles made up 7.2 per cent of all new vehicles sold, compared with 3.1 per cent in 2022. That is despite a decade of EV denial by one particular side of Australia government, meaning EV re-charging infrastructure in Australia is still decades behind the rest of the developed world.

Why do Australians think EV chargers should be provided by government? Petrol stations aren’t.

And why do Australians think governments should build power distribution systems? Why can't we leave that up to private enterprise?

And why do Australians think governments should fund the building and upkeep of federal highways? Why can't we leave that up to private enterprise?

Surely the best option is to make sure every public road is a toll road. That Liberal Party approach to road building has worked great in NSW.

Toll Holdings is now one of the most profitable companies in the world, thanks to a Liberal NSW government turning every major NSW 'public' road into a Toll Holding toll road.

That's how good government works, making sure the public pay tooth and nail for a 'public' road as that helps out the donors and the shareholders.

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Post by whitepaint »

mvdtnz wrote: post #161
lukas099 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…

The edge cases are the important cases though. Those parties I throw are the highlight of my year. My parents staying here with me is important to me, I wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah I have a desk job but that landscaping work I do in my weekend is one of my favourite hobbies. I refuse to live my life as if these things aren't important to me. I refuse to average my entire life style down to my median day. My…

> I refuse to live my life as if these things aren't important to me. I refuse to average my entire life style down to my median day. My median day is boring.

Maybe that's the biggest problem and your current solutions are inadequate?

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Post by fredgrott »

You know what is fascinating about hydrogen fuel cell technology that uses the same electric motors that EV uses?

A hydrogen leak is somewhat a non issue as it dissipates with no fire whatsoever due to the pressure hydrogen has to be under to stay at the low temps required.

And its the same issue in the diesel usage case where its actually being burned instead of generating electricity for the output to drive the vehicle.

The only downside will be the same expensive replacement of the fuel-cell itself compared to EV batteries.

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Post by _ea1k »

rappatic wrote: post #60

The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

Yeah, that's why the little commuter style cars don't really sell in the US. Sure, we normally do That's a big part of why the American consumer really wants a 3 digit number starting with 3. Anything else is a much harder sell.

As EVs become more common, that might shift to a 3 digit number starting with 2. Tesla is already having some success here with the base Model 3, which is by far their best value.

Perhaps not coincidentally, it road trips pretty decently too.

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Post by shiftpgdn »

iknowstuff wrote: post #45

Dumbass "journalists" with the usual clickbait. Explicitly MORE people are buying EVs: > Sure, sales of EVs keep going up — a record 300,000 cars sold in the US in the third quarter of 2023 were electric The only thing they're seeing is "but the pace of adoption has markedly slowed" -- no shit, have you seen the interest rates and price diffs? And which manufacturer grew the most? Oh that's right the only all-EV one.…

Niedermeyer is a pathetic member/leader of “TSLAQ”, a group of people that think all of Tesla sales are fake, that Tesla is a large scale financial fraud like Madoff, and other completely insane theories. He has made it his full time job (literally) to disparage Tesla and other EV manufacturers.

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Post by jtc331 »

rappatic wrote: post #60

The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

Yes.

It's amazing how many people commenting here effectively refuse to acknowledge that there are ways (and more than one!) in which ICE cars are better than EVs and want to believe that no one could rationally decide on different trade-offs.

I own and EV, and I love it. But pretending the paradigm shift comes with no undesirable trade-offs is absurd. And wanting everyone to come to a uniform decision about what they value is a great example of technocratic tyranny.

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Post by jitl »

bdcravens wrote: post #327
jitl wrote: post #89

The electric offerings from most companies just don’t seem “there” yet. I don’t want a Tesla because AirPlay and adjustable aircon grates are non-negotiable for me, but the alternatives just don’t seem like a good bet yet. Hyundai is compelling, but most brands are offering electrified versions of non-EV platforms. An EV platform with low drag is much better, but outside of Tesla and Hyundai no one seems to be shippi…

I canceled an order for a Model 3 and went with a Kia EV6. (sibling to the Hyundai Ioniq 5) Best car I've ever owned.

I should check it out - thanks for the pointer. I don’t like the body on the Ioniq 5, so I’m interested in an option with a different body, although I’d prefer real leather seats.
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