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Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Charging needs to be more convenient like gas refueling is. Max 5 minutes in any town or remote station. It is only achievable with battery swap/rental system - such already function in Asia for scooters.

Exactly. Many frequently cite the lower cost of charging the car vs paying for gas, but don't acknowledge the extra time spent.

Let's say I spend $500/mo on gas for an ICE car. That's roughly 6 fill-ups per month at the gas prices where I live for a full tank that gets me 350 miles of range. How long does charging up an EV take for the same kind of range? How long does it take for 6 full recharges per month? Filling up the gas tank takes me 3 minutes on average, that's about 20 minutes per month. I bet EV recharging takes a lot longer, but even if we're generous and we say 20 minutes for a full 0-100 charge, that's 2 hours a month. 2 wasted hours of my time is worth far more than $500 to me.

When I'm driving my car, and specifically refueling, most often it is not on some long journey where I could use the 20 minute break from driving to stretch, go to the bathroom, etc. It's during commuting where I have other stuff to do. That extra time spent waiting for the EV to charge is just wasted time to me -- I don't want to sit around futzing with my phone or 'relaxing' -- I have shit to do. And no, I can't charge at home because there's no way that's happening where I live, nor do I frequent any shops/malls that have charging stations that I can rely on, nor does my workplace offer such a service.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

This. I'm not sure why plugin hybrids are not a thing.... actually, I don't even want a plugin "hybrid" I want an EV that never uses the ICE unless you run out of power, then it's just an ICE vehicle entirely... In other words I want something they will never build.

What are you talking about? The BMW i3 with range extender was exactly that.

It wasn't practical and didn't sell and was hence cancelled.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Unsurprisingly, more cars, even if electric, are not a solution. Yet again, the answer is better public transport.

How do you provide better transport to a village with 30 houses in and services in 4 different directions? There is literally demand for no more than 30 journeys a day in each direction. An hourly bus service would have more drivers than passengers even if it captured 100% of passenger journeys.

Why are you cherry picking edge cases for a global issue?

Most people in the US are driving from their suburbs downtown or from two close cities.

As an European I lived 6 months in Columbus, Ohio, and it was crazy to me that a trip from suburbs 10 miles off downtown could take you multiple hours.

Dayton to Columbus is connected only through bus, and it's a 2 hours trip!

Should be a 25 minutes train.

In Europe public transport isn't perfect, but it's way better than in US.

I live in a small village not far off Rome.

Going to city center is a 1 hour drive, way more during peak time, but in train it takes you 20 minutes, and guess what, most people take the train. It's comfortable, quick, cheap.

This also means that many people in my village do not need multiple cars per household, me and my SO have just one and it sits in the garage most of the time.

Hell, I remember being in LA and it was impossible to walk 1 mile distance. You had to call Uber for such things. Crazy.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

Anecdata: We have a model Y, and find that in the city it's an incredible car. We couldn't be happier. For road trips, it's definitely slower and more stressful because charging takes longer and the car by default stretches things out sometimes making it feel risky, especially in winter.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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We bought a new primary car last April, it was a toss up between an electric and a petrol/diesel, and we opted for a diesel car in the end. Reasons: range anxiety, and war anxiety. I want a Tesla, but the problem is that an electric car becomes a giant paperweight in an emergency. We have a secondary, small electric car and we use it for short local trips. There’s been more than a few instances where a lapse resulted…

Huh? What emergency? You will always have solar on your roof. I think in emergencies, gas will run out much quicker than electricity? And where do you live that you have a mess of public chargers? The quick charger network is excellent where I live (Benelux)

> You will always have solar on your roof.

Methinks you assume too much. Rooftop solar is only really an option for someone that owns a SFH, or is in a townhome with a fairly permissive HOA (In the US).

Someone living in an apartment probably has no ability to access reliable solar except via the primary grid (which we assume will be down in case of emergency.) And in other places, like California, having solar panels is growing increasingly expensive due to the additional fees imposed by the electric utilities (and nevermind the initial costs.)

Gas is relatively easy to stockpile in large volumes, it has a huge energy density, and is highly useful for other things, not to mention being fairly portable. You can even use it for producing electricity by using a generator.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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I bought an EV on December 18. On December 19 I took my family on a 2400 mile road trip up the US east coast and Canada, with multiple days of all day driving.

It worked out fine! Driving the car was also much more enjoyable than driving our loud gas car. Yes, we stopped to recharge every few hours, but I also needed to give my mental focus a break from driving, too.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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In my family - we have two cars - all Alfa Romeos.

Alfa Romeo Stelvio 2018 / 2.0 petrol / 280 bhp Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio 2021 / 2.9 V6 / 510 bhp

We have ZERO incentives to change these cars with electrics; why would I change my convenience to put gas in the established gas network with the dubious charging station availability (Eastern Europe)?

I drove a Hyundai Kona electric last year; well, when you drive it at 150-180 km/h - the battery dies quite fast :)

I am not convinced AT ALL in electric cars. Maybe in 20-30 years ...

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…

The sense of self-entitlement in this thread makes me depressed. Intelligent, educated adults react like children when you tell them they can't have all the toys.

> But I like living in this kind of excess!

Sure, and I'm sure you deserve it. As do we all. But guess what? In the hard cold reality that we live in, it's not sustainable or feasible for everyone to own a huge hulking gas guzzling vehicle just to enable your yearly road trip. Wish it was, but it isn't. Not even close.

> How preposterous, I certainly don't live in excess!

Oh yes you do. On a global and historical scale, if you can afford a car, then you live in excess. I'd bet that all of us that read this website do. You need some perspective.

> But I pay for myself!

No you don't. If the planet is failing to even sustain civilization from this lifestyle, clearly somewhere there are costs that aren't covered. The market has no solution for the external costs that most things in our lifestyle incur.

> But the alternatives would mean a slight inconvenience to me! I would have to adjust and re-evaluate things I've grown used to. They're not the 100% optimal solution for me personally!

Well, I'm sorry that the freaking possible end of future civilization causes an inconvenience in your modern life of abundance. Actually no, I'm not. If stopping and waiting at a charging station those three times a year you make an 8 hour trip is what it takes to ensure a healthy life for future (and even current) generations, then I'm saving my concern for more pressing matters. Heck, I'd even argue that renting an ICE car on those occasions might be a reasonable price to pay, no matter the (in the grander scheme of things) slight inconvenience this means.

Grow up, people.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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In 2023, Australian full battery electric vehicles made up 7.2 per cent of all new vehicles sold, compared with 3.1 per cent in 2022. That is despite a decade of EV denial by one particular side of Australia government, meaning EV re-charging infrastructure in Australia is still decades behind the rest of the developed world.
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