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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by tmpz22 »

docmars wrote: post #486
tmpz22 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which executive orders, federal appointments, and other executive branch actions, would you attribute to Eric Schmidt?

From this article: "At the same time, Schmidt has been appointed to numerous White House advisory positions, giving him privileged insight into the administration’s policies in technology, science and military defense, as well as unusual access to top policymakers." https://www.techtransparencyproject.org/articles/eric-schmid... A quick Google of "eric schmidt obama" brings up a lot of articles discussing their close…

I appreciate the link - but "Schmidt has been appointed to numerous White House advisory positions" != "basically a shadow president".

There have been many questionable advisor appointments by previous presidents. Including the last president.

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Post by hellojesus »

YPCrumble wrote: post #337
loeg wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not great if your bank arbitrarily decides Linux isn't a supported operating system, for example.

Wouldn’t this just mean I should change my bank?

Or ultimately fund your own if all banks adopt this under a regulatory recommendation.

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Post by nvm0n1 »

kalleboo wrote: post #371
btown wrote: post #162

From the spec author, in 2022 [0]: > I decided to make this an app in the end. This is where my costs started wracking up. I had to pay for a second hand macbook pro to build an iOS app. Apple’s strategy with this is obvious, and it clearly works, but it still greatly upsets me that I couldn’t just build an app with my linux laptop. If I want the app to persist for longer than a month, and to make it easy for friends…

I don't think it's double-think, it's just a lack of consequential thinking. I believe the writers of the spec when they say that they just want to be able to see which ad views are real or not. They even lay out some (far too weak) ideas to keep the system from being mandatory and abusable. But they don't realize just how quickly things will go out of hand once the rest of the organization realizes what they have cr…

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Post by 4oo4 »

Don't just comment and complain, contact your antitrust authority today:

US:

- https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation

- antitrust@ftc.gov

EU:

- https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/contact_en

- comp-greffe-antitrust@ec.europa.eu

UK:

- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tell-the-cma-about-a-competition...

- general.enquiries@cma.gov.uk

India:

- https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/

- https://www.cci.gov.in/filing/atd

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Post by nulld3v »

icoder wrote: post #457
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> isn't this good? banks can raise security while we can still use any browser to check hackers news! Are you okay with buying a new computer running the operating system and browser someone else wants to access your bank's web site? You can still use you current computer and bowser to access HN.

Like many others in this thread you stack so many assumptions on top of each other. Why? I don't think that helps. Will this person's bank implement WEI in such a way that none of this person's devices (computer, phone) are supported and will this person not be willing or able to switch banks, only then buying a new computer comes into view. Without knowing anything about this person, assuming average, the chances fo…

> Will this person's bank implement WEI in such a way that none of this person's devices (computer, phone) are supported and will this person not be willing or able to switch banks, only then buying a new computer comes into view.

Yes, they will, because it has already happened.

On Android many many banking apps block rooted phones and custom OSes by using Play Integrity and Safetynet. And then games started doing it too, you can't play Pokemon GO unless your phone's OS passes Safetynet. And then restaurants joined in. Sorry, you can't order from McDonald's unless you pass Safetynet.

When does it stop?

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by tristor »

Pannoniae wrote: post #225

This proposal is just so throughly user-hostile that it's impossible to criticise it based on technical grounds. It's not a bad proposal, it's a dangerous, evil and malicious one, so criticising it in details is futile. The whole thing in itself is evil, and it needs to be thrown out. Quietly protesting won't work this time, the goal is to kick up a huge fuss which gets the attention of governments, regulatory bodies…

> This proposal is just so throughly user-hostile that it's impossible to criticise it based on technical grounds. It's not a bad proposal, it's a dangerous, evil and malicious one, so criticising it in details is futile.

I can't agree more strongly. I sat down to write a letter to the FTC, and I can't even articulate my objections because after reading this spec my only response is encompassed in "WTF is this shit?". I've worked in my past with members of the Chromium team and I've generally found them competent and well-meaning, and I can't see any amount of well-meaning (and some lack of competence) in this spec proposal. This feels like a shift in the behavior for Google far beyond their existing slow drive to consume everything, to something far more draconian and direct.

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

suslik wrote: post #309

In the end, I feel like there is a silver lining to all this. As the world wide web becomes more sanitised with their codes of conduct, corporate censorship, ads, witch hunts, all these limitations - more and more, I hope, would the valuable, interesting bits of it drift to alternative locations. The internets of old were just that - a place where nerds, freaks, outcasts, and other antisocial personalities congregate…

That colourful internet of yore coexisted with doing your banking at a bank. Now, banking has largely moved online and banks have eliminated a lot of their physical locations. Ditto for accessing government services in many countries. The concern here is no longer being able to do important everyday things without using a supported browser, even if a small hobbyist internet for nerds, freaks, and outcasts survived out there.

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Post by hot_gril »

c0l0 wrote: post #5

I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

Just saw https://github.com/chromium/chromium/pull/187/files

It's even funnier with the auto-reply "Thanks for your pull request! It looks like this may be your first contribution to a Google open source project. Before we can look at your pull request, you'll need to sign a Contributor License Agreement (CLA)."

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