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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by greyman » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:28 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #407

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

It still can be a Google killer even if Google comes up with something better because Google makes its money from sending people to the highest bidder. So far there's no clear path to make money from ChatGPT, let alone match the sum Google is making from Search. If this new paradigm dominates the way people use computers and it's not as profitable as Search, Google might indeed have to scale back.

ChatGPT can make money by subscriptions, or they can also put ads next to the chat?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by TillE » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:28 PM UTC

julianeon wrote: post #226

brap wrote: post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

I also don't understand why everyone is sure that "search is over" because you can ask AI to teach you, for example, first semester calculus. That's great and all but that's not where the money is. Where is the money? It's in queries like "greek food near me", "best earbuds 2023", "replace sparkplug Honda motorcycle." Simple, monetizable questions that are extremely context dependent and constantly changing. For that…

But imagine Google takes that query, does the search, then feeds the search results into an LLM and gets it to synthesize all that information.

Basically, what if Google's little info boxes weren't garbage? That alone would be a huge step, without even getting into potentially more sophisticated ways to use an LLM.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by KeplerBoy » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

vagabund wrote: post #533

smoldesu wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, Facebook's AI division has made some pretty insane contributions to the field relative to Google or Apple. I wouldn't disregard the stuff they're doing, even if I personally don't have a stake in Facebook or Meta's success.

Like what? Basically every research breakthrough from industry has come through Google.

Stuff like PyTorch? They're building large parts of the infrastructure everyone uses.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by felipebarreiros » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #545

At this point, Microsoft should do whatever it can to make a deal with Apple to place a ChatGPT powered platform in the iPhone/i Devices. Most of the people using "computers" nowadays do it through mobile phones, and Google has a strong grip in that market with Android, with only Apple giving them some competition. Thus the only platform where Microsoft could really compete is in iOS. If Microsoft + Apple could get t…

Does it really matter if it is boring but is generating $6B every year? Ultimately it's not what's cool, but what drives user adoption and revenue.

Otherwise it will be just like Magic Leap with a pretty cool product nobody ever used.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by adastra22 » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:30 PM UTC

jw1224 wrote: post #548

vitorgrs wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT 4 seems to have newer data/practices already. At least the Bing ChatGPT integration can get data from websites and all of that, and cite the sources. Probably using REALM. Not sure if is ChatGPT-4 that would use REALM together or if is MSFT integrating both. https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-wit... Similar to how http://perplexity.ai/ works to get info on current data.

ChatGPT 4? I didn’t even think they’d announced v2 yet. Source?

They haven’t. Just people making guesses.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by Havoc » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:31 PM UTC

dizzydes wrote: post #46

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

>its taxonomy of meaning so vast already

Can this be integrated for training though?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by CatWChainsaw » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:32 PM UTC

roody15 wrote: post #285

lstodd wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "core inrastructure for the world" wıll also be maintained about as well as HVAC in the seminal film Brazil

Imagine a government controlled AI that partners with mega corporations to "assist" AI in getting you the "correct" results you desire. Call me a pessimist but we may already be staring down the gun of a dystopian future

It was literally Dune. Men handed their thinking over to machines. That let other men with machines control them. It wasn't even subtle!

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by mrkramer » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:32 PM UTC

adrr wrote: post #404

dizzydes wrote: post #46

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

Google’s inability execute is why they will lose the AI war. The fact the CEO has to write this article to wall street shows that they were caught offguard and have no real plans. If they had plans, why would Google management declare a code red over chatGPT? Take the difference between Microsoft and Google. Microsoft just released tools that will make your life much easier. Intelligent Recap of teams meetings, abili…

Sundar needs to go? And who will replace him? Larry and Sergey? They figured out the early web but the web of today is the whole another beast that is waiting to be understood.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by alsodumb » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:34 PM UTC

yunwal wrote: post #550

scarmig wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has far more resources for training models and inference. Likely more than all their nearest competitors combined.

If you’re talking about physical hardware, Google pales in comparison to Amazon, and Gcloud is still smaller than Azure. It’s possible google’s private compute makes up for the Azure difference but it’s not like they’re in different leagues in terms of access to hardware.

Unlike Azure and Amazon, Google doesn't have to rely on Nvidia GPUs for training and inference, they achieved significant performance gains by using their custom TPUs.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by TillE » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 10:34 PM UTC

GrantS wrote: post #334

whalesalad wrote: post #20

Bard is such a funny name. I tried to, no pun intended, google it and it autocorrected to brad.

Possibly a reference to the 1956 Isaac Asimov short story "Someday": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Someday_(short_story) "The story concerns a pair of boys who dismantle and upgrade an old Bard, a child's computer whose sole function is to generate random fairy tales. The boys download a book about computers into the Bard's memory in an attempt to expand its vocabulary, but the Bard simply incorporates computers into…

If you name something Bard, it's at least partly a reference to Shakespeare. Also known as The Bard.

What are Shakespeare's works best known for? Language.