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The Four Stages: 1. It's not happening. 2. It's happening, but it's equally applied. 3. It's not equally applied and that's a good thing. 4. We already knew about it. Why is this news? ^---- You are here.

5. TruthSocial does it too

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Elon's given unprecedented access to journalists, and is considering releasing all that information to the public, but you're worried that he's going to remain secretive regarding a topic that he voluntarily decided to tease? Elon, whom you characterize as running a dog and pony show, is going to miss another opportunity for drama? No, sorry, but there's no way I can see how that stance is reasonable.

The Twitter Files are much less earth-shattering than what Elon implied with the response we are talking about. That is, the planned, deliberate muzzling of political figures _for their political views_, ordered by other political figures or in-power government figures. I have no doubt Part 3 will be forthcoming, and if it unequivocally points to that, I will sit up and take note. That said, all of this drama is for…

> it was still the loudhailer for what was almost an overthrow of the US government.

Baseless conspiracy theory.

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> “If there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.” Wow, this Nazism stuff is super contagious! I shudder to think that most of the world has caught it by now.

You jest but fascism was and is super contagious. The Nazis went from a fringe political movement to a solid minority voice (with 20% of the seats and about 33% of the vote). Then came the Reichstag Fire and heavy repression of opposition - getting them to 44% of votes in a “free” election. And then came the Enabling Act and there were no more votes. What this saying means ultimately is that enabling fascism via sile…

Fascism isn't a fad like bell bottom jeans. It forms under specific material conditions.

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> "deliberately making someone’s content undiscoverable to everyone except the person who posted it, unbeknownst to the original poster." This happened to my tweet here [1]. It doesn't show up under the parent tweet [2]. It appears to be some sort of domain-based shadow filtering. It's probably because of the cheap .win domain I bought for $2. Why would Twitter censor that link? One could speculate it was because pat…

Shadow banning was not built to deal with bots. The practice was popularized in various communities long before bots were a serious problem. It was built to deal with jerks who, when moderated, would sign up under a new account, or would repost the same content over and over again, or who would invade discussions, distract them with vitriol or out of context nonsense – even if each post as original. The whole point o…

I think that might have been its original purpose, but I can't help but believe that this is evil.

People are quick to jump to the "It's their website, they don't have to do anything yada yada" but there is an implied social contract between the users and the owners that for whatever tier of service (free, paid, ad-supported, whatever) you are using you will receive an equal amount and quality of service as every other user on the platform.

I'm not against moderation, I'm against secret moderation that wastes the time of other people's lives. Just be forthright and tell people they are muted but can still participate.

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Presumably you eat at restaurants whose food you like and buy hardware whose quality you like. It's the same with social media. You can give attention to systems you support and share information about them. The alternative you propose sounds like cowering to company overlords. And where are you that it is illegal to be a political activist?

I live in the good old USA, where I have the privilege to be a member of the underclass.

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According to its own website, the great barrington declaration was signed by around 15,000 doctors.

Thanks. I didn't realize there was a further breakdown from the 934,094 total and can't edit it now. Here's the exact breakdown. medical & public health scientists: 15,989 medical practitioners: 47,278 concerned citizens: 870,827

FYI, anybody who wants to can sign the "Great Barrington Declaration," and check whatever box they want: https://gbdeclaration.org/#sign

The list of medical practitioners and scientists includes a number of homeopaths and obvious fake names.

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Enron's company values were "Respect, Integrity, Communication and Excellence". https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/19/opinion/enron-s-vision-an...

So what's your point? That Twitter's mission statement has always been purely empty PR?

Your previous comments are also correct. This has been the case with YouTube's empty 'mission statement':

> Our mission is to give everyone a voice and show them the world.

> We believe that everyone deserves to have a voice, and that the world is a better place when we listen, share and build community through our stories.

Despite their ridiculous bans to those that never broke their ToS and YouTube never explaining what ToS did they break.

[0] https://about.youtube

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That's talking about article submissions, not comments. Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken. More than 95% of the time I see a flagged account on HN, they post complete garbage that leads to more flaming replies if not removed promptly. HN has a very limited set of moderators, like one or two, who cannot police every comment 24/7. >Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular. Popular where?…

> That's talking about article submissions, not comments Shadow moderation was implemented without doing any research. I agree it's about time more studies are done on all types of content and all platforms in order to assess whether or not this functionality furthers the platforms' goals. > Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken Good call. Blog post summarizing [1] and pdf [2] > Popular where? In corporate…

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The hilarious part too is that the same contingent also ignores the screenshots showing that the "Libs of Tiktok" account had special rules around moderating it. So much for "silencing conservative thought" (if you can call that Twitter account "thought").

@libsoftiktok is not a left-wing account. The name is derogatory

That's the point. The special rules were "don't moderate this account at all without getting high level approval".

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Or anyone he considers his enemy/detractor. Anyone who has ever exchanged words with Elon, or even looked him the wrong way better have deleted their DMs - and asked their counter-parties to do the same - before Musk walked in the door at Twitter HQ. Let that sink in.

deleted dms likely mean nothing, they probably just get marked in the db as 'deleted' and not displayed on normal clients... but to the elon/admin client no such restrictions
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