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Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by legohead »

TillE wrote: post #17

You know it's gonna be bad news when you see a title like that. I've always been bearish on game streaming because it's just not practically, physically possible to solve the problem of input lag. Even an extra 10ms is going to be noticeable and unacceptable for many games.

I was cloud gaming for 2 years and recently switched to PC. I've been gaming for about 30 years or more. I can confidently say you wont notice anything up to around 60ms latency. I could still twitch aim and play and compete in online shooters no problem.

Beyond 60ms, the other devil is packet loss. If your connection starts to become unstable, even if it's a fast connection, it becomes extremely aggravating. I could actually deal with up to 200ms latency, but throw in a tiny amount of packet loss and I'm out.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

hbrn wrote: post #492
ren_engineer wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

This. I'm surprised how often people try to copy Google practices because Google can't be wrong. My bet is that Google is one of the worst places to learn anything, be it product, management or programming. You will only learn how to solve problems the Google way, and that is only applicable at Google. It's like learning to govern from Xi Jinping. Sure, there probably are some interesting experiences to observe. But…

It's a good place to learn real engineering. They know how to build systems. There are some of the best engineering minds on the planet in there.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by homarp »

https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1575544578912178176

My best Stadia story was us trying to work out why a developer's machine kept getting flagged for malware. Turns out they were porting something to Stadia and the DRM didn't work under Linux. The publisher refused to give them a DRM-free copy and told them to warez one instead.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

vincnetas wrote: post #288
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #147

cool, so I get a free USB controller and a chromecast? should've ordered a couple more when they were 20 euro or whatever in that case...

If they refunding then it does not matter what was original price.

ah yeah I know I'm just being stupid. I wouldn't have remotely considered getting them at full price though; I did consider getting a second at 20 just to give my mother a chromecast and my brother a gamepad at the time though but 20 somehow still seemed too much.

actually, considering how much I use both I'll just give them the ones I have now...

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by [deleted] »

vyrotek wrote: post #43

Just a couple of months ago. "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro." https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656

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Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by aequitas »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #139
jedberg wrote: post #40

Google's reputation for not supporting things long term is finally starting to affect them in noticeable ways. Developers didn't onboard because they were afraid it would get shut down. It got shut down because no one onboarded.

Ironically, I bet if that Stadia would've done much better if it had launched with the promise of "if we do shut it down, we'll refund all your purchases"

I don't remember exactly, but I believe this was promised in some sense when I decided to get on board a year or 2 ago. At the time you got a free Chromecast + Controller when buying Cyberpunk which was also a pretty good deal to pass by.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by ilovecaching »

This is absolutely insane. Everyone who has been paying for pro and buying games will now be out $$$ while losing all of their games. Google should provide steam codes or full refunds for digital purchases. Google has messed around with other services, but this is substantial amounts of money they've stolen from customers this time. Unbelievable, and I can't understand how anyone could trust them with their credit card at this point.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

enumjorge wrote: post #507
ren_engineer wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

The thing that baffles me is that this has been a known issue for a long time, and yet there doesn't seem to be any significant moves to improve this. Can someone please explain what Sundar Pichai's big goals as a CEO are? That's a genuine question. He doesn't seem to be solving existing issues related to culture and incentives. And the company hasn't landed any big wins recently. I mostly see increased monetization…

His goal is to keep the peace. And he's good at it. It's a little bit "game of thrones" in there.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by cosmodisk »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #560
ren_engineer wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

I was at Google 2014-2018. It appeared that Larry & Sergey didn't understand incentives, despite otherwise being very smart guys. They just didn't seem to get it. At all. There were lots of smart, motivated people but the incentive structure was completely set up to reward launching products and moving on. Some of the Stadia folks were insanely good at playing the promo game. There was talk about the need to "land" r…

It does seem to be that way from the outside: tons of products launched, acquired,and then nothing happens, as they either rot or get killed after a few years.
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