Waymo CEO dismisses Tesla self-driving plan: “This is not how it works”

Post by jfoster » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 12:25 AM UTC

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Your argument seems to make sense. If it's the case, though, why are Waymo only in a small part of Phoenix?

They’re rolling out a revolutionary new technology that people aren’t used to or don’t trust yet. Phoenix provides that easy testing ground in terms of good roads and great weather year round. Last thing Waymo wants is to tackle too many things at once and cause a disaster. Remember how a single death effectively ended Uber’s self driving efforts? They’re also offering a commercial service. Which means figuring out o…

Post by ganafagol » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

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> It could pay off your (very expensive) Tesla in the matter of a year or two. .. while lota of people unknown to you sit with their butt in your precious expensive car. People who themselves can't (or want to) afford such a car. Not gonna happen. Nobody will throw that much money behind such an expensive gadget, being happ about their precious toy and then let complete strangers user it most of the time. Do you rent…

The entire point of Airbnb was to let people rent out their spare housing capacity - it just became so wildly successful that people used the system to become pseudo-landlords. My car sits idle 22 out of 24 hours a day. If someone else handled the insurance issues and found drivers willing to pay to use it outside of the times I utilize it, I'd have no qualms about lending it out for an appropriate price. The low end…

Post by jjk166 » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

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The entire point of Airbnb was to let people rent out their spare housing capacity - it just became so wildly successful that people used the system to become pseudo-landlords. My car sits idle 22 out of 24 hours a day. If someone else handled the insurance issues and found drivers willing to pay to use it outside of the times I utilize it, I'd have no qualms about lending it out for an appropriate price. The low end…

Yes you do. You will need to share your car with strangers. Some morning you will open the door, see an oily stain from a thai takeaway lunch in the driver's seat and the last 3 people who rented the car will all claim it wasn't them.

Post by rlt » Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 7:06 AM UTC

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Sorry, you are clueless. Yes, some aspects of his personality are obnoxious, but he’s built multiple companies that have delivered real innovation, his customers are largely happy, and I’m sure his engineers don’t care how much credit he takes.

His companies have few innovations, at best they are iterative, and often actively worse. and he did none of it himself, he deserves zero credit people think he is innovative because he sold decades old tech to people who didnt pay attention before, because he is a glorified marketing exec and hes not even good at that consumer satisfaction is a poor way to measure quality

Post by albertTJames » Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

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Ah yes, the "more data will magically solve self driving" argument.

More data makes it easier to train and evaluate systems but will not fix an inadequate approach. Humans can drive with vision alone because humans are way way smarter than glorified regression models. We have a higher order model of what is happening. I am skeptical that you can replicate this with current AI. The approach of using LIDAR to compensate for dumber AI with more and better data seems more sound.