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Post by karmasimida »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #411

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

Not US citizen but currently resides here.

I think Biden prevails on one thing: the public don't believe Trump will contain COVID.

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Post by NearAP »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #411

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

>>>nobody I have talked to seriously voted for Joe Biden on his own merits.On the other hand, I know lots of people who voted him on his own merits which and they listed them as - he is centrist, he was a senator/VP which means he has the experience and knowledge to navigate congress, he has good ethics/morals (which means they could tell their kids to look up to him), he is a Christian, he believes in climate change.

I know lots of Democrats who are moderates/centrists and preferred Biden over Bernie and Warren.

Personally, I also found him to be a good candidate and not a 'he is not trump so automatically he is better'

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Post by jefftk »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #536

No: he hasn't, and that's confusing to both "the world" as well as waaay too many Americans: the election isn't until mid December, when the electoral college casts its votes. You didn't vote for the president, you voted for what your state will try to vote for in December. Unfortunately, state representatives in the presidential election are not universally required to vote along the state election result, and while…

While what you describe is possible, I really don't think anyone thinks it's at all likely? For example, I would happily give you 10:1 odds against (a) the decision of the electoral college is not what we expected because of faithless electors and then (b) that decision stands.

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Post by SoSoRoCoCo »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #536

No: he hasn't, and that's confusing to both "the world" as well as waaay too many Americans: the election isn't until mid December, when the electoral college casts its votes. You didn't vote for the president, you voted for what your state will try to vote for in December. Unfortunately, state representatives in the presidential election are not universally required to vote along the state election result, and while…

> it's not even illegal.

SCOTUS from 2020:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unanimous-supreme-co...

See comments below. This decision only means states have the right to penalize, but WI, PA and GA have no such laws.

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws

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Post by mshumi »

jseliger wrote: post #257

A big problem that divides us is property renters versus owners: owners have spent the last several decades restricting access to property, and that's now raised the cost of the most productive metro areas to unacceptable levels: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-ren... Many millions of people, especially but not exclusively the young, have in effect been gated out of prosperity. Matt Yglesias'…

Is it fair if people can be restricted from competing in the property markets by people who faced no such restrictions themselves when acquiring that land capital. Zoning licensing, etc.

The elephant in the room is that for most people the majority of their net worth is tied up in housing (property) and as interest rates drop the nominal value of this property increases way faster than the nominal wages of labor. This property can then be used to create information insensitive debt that ignores any notion of liquidity at an artificially higher nominal value. This debt is then used to pay wage-labor who increasingly cannot acquire property themselves. At the end of the day, only real property is wealth (land, ip rights, equity, collectibles, and machinery) and labor is denied the opportunity to earn a larger share of property themselves. Any solution is politically difficult.

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throwaway201103 wrote: post #411

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

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throwaway201103 wrote: post #411

To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

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Post by travisoneill1 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #479

Please permit me a ramble, there are too many points to fit in a hn box and I'm typing on a phone. I'm sure our stateside friends would be happy to acknowledge that US politics has a major effect on the whole world. I have had it pointed out to me before, however, that the USA can vote in whomever they please, and it is none of our business. But American companies sell us our books and films (understatement), take cu…

NATO is supposed to be an alliance, not a protection agreement. And what is the point of an alliance if your country doesn't have a worthwhile army? Why can't you be asked to hold up your end? Asking you to hold up your end is not "demanding tribute."
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