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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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The military is a MS customer, just like nearly everyone else on the planet. Calling them a “defense contractor” is a very long stretch.

No its not.

Boeing is a defense contractor. Northrup is a defense contractor.

MS? Not even a chance. What percent do you think of their business is actually government, beyond buying licenses just like nearly every other corporation on the planet.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Maybe Microsoft helped killing Atom, but I don't think Atom is completely innocent by itself. I was an user of Atom and later switched to VSCode. It took me few months of weighting all the options before I made the switch. That's how much I love Microsoft -- Very little. Don't know if they got it fixed, but there was a design flaw in Atom: Bug inside some Atom plugin (`linter-ui-default` is one of it if my memory is…

Author of `linter` / `linter-ui-default` here. The package in no place in its code rewrites the entire Atom package configuration. It does however observe it's own configuration. If observing in itself resets the Atom config, then it's out of the hands of the package and a bug in Atom core. It's possible that one of the linter providers had that issue, and since Linter providers are only called by the linter package,…

Some information (https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/17060) indicates that the problem is related to `atom.config.set`. `linter-ui-default` is one plugin that triggers it.

So maybe it's not a bug of `linter-ui-default` after all. Sorry dear innocent man, my judgement is not always on point :)

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

While Teams isn't as good as Slack IMO, it is better than the experience of using Skype (Lync) For Business by a country mile. I've the misfortune of being forced to use Skype and I would kill to have it replaced with Teams at my workplace.

Skype for Business is not Skype. It's just a rebranding of Lync that happened after Skype acquisition.

There is a half-baked link between Skype and Lync to make it seem like it's the same product. This link is all shitty mainly because Lync and Skype work completely differently, and even simple things like call signaling have to deal with years of legacy Microsoft SIP extensions that were punched into Lync.

I remember the first time we received access to the Lync code repository. That stuff was a multi-GB (!!!) repository that contained files, promo videos, PDFs, code, etc. That tells you much about the development practices behind Lync.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is th…

> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

You haven't suffered worse tools. Have you ever heard of Lotus Notes / Lotus Sametime?

It's not great, but in the corporate space, Teams does an OK job, and MS is a reputable company for B2B.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Nah, Github Actions is actually amazing, and has been rock solid for me. For someone who's not a pro in using CIs, it's been much easier to use than CircleCI. I never have to spend more than 20 or 30 minutes fiddling with Actions to make it actually work. This for me is the biggest contribution to open source: normal people like me (who don't want to get too familiar with proprietary or overengineered CI tech) will b…

I can’t speak for actions but you seem extremely biased for some reason. It would take you less time than it took to write this post than to learn circleci. Much less than 20-30 mins. https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/hello-world/

I might sound biased because I had lots of difficulties with CircleCI that I'm not having with Actions anymore. That's why I think it's a better product for my own use case.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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While Teams isn't as good as Slack IMO, it is better than the experience of using Skype (Lync) For Business by a country mile. I've the misfortune of being forced to use Skype and I would kill to have it replaced with Teams at my workplace.

Skype for Business is not Skype. It's just a rebranding of Lync that happened after Skype acquisition. There is a half-baked link between Skype and Lync to make it seem like it's the same product. This link is all shitty mainly because Lync and Skype work completely differently, and even simple things like call signaling have to deal with years of legacy Microsoft SIP extensions that were punched into Lync. I remembe…

I still run a Lync Server 2010 at home to chat with my wife using a MSN looking messenger. We used to chat a lot using MSN messenger and this is a way to hold onto it. I don't mind Lync at all!

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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> Npm wanted to control nodejs and make money out it. What does this even mean?

It means Npm always wanted to be the "one true source" for nodejs code. No matter who wrote the code. No interest in mirrors from day one. Npm sold out to Microsoft and got paid. All that free community effort to stop Npms "crashiness" got sold to Microsoft for dollar. Nodejs went to the Linux foundation. Npm went to Microsoft. Suprised?

That's not what I asked.

You said they controlled nodejs, and that they somehow earned money by controlling nodejs. I think that neither of those has ever been the case.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Microsoftie here — throwaway for obvious reasons. Microsoft doesn’t do everything right but the GitHub acquisition has honestly gone better than I ever expected. Rather than forcing GitHub to adopt Microsoft centric policies, Microsoft has adopted more GitHub stuff, especially from a product POV. GitHub still runs as a separate company (different logins and health care and hiring systems) with its own policies and po…

No. Microsoft did not adopt to Github. The first thing microsoft did after acquiring github is forced to login to view commits. I felt like some huge corporation took over the park i daily visit and charged me. It felt terrible.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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PyPy runs on donated infrastructure that costs over 800K/month in hosting costs[1]. Not many non-commercial entities can afford that. [1] https://twitter.com/dstufft/status/1236331765846990848

PyPI, not PyPy. For those confused over how PyPy could cost that much.

Compiling Python code isn't easy!

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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> Microsoft doesn’t do everything right but the GitHub acquisition has honestly gone better than I ever expected. Rather than forcing GitHub to adopt Microsoft centric policies, Microsoft has adopted more GitHub stuff, especially from a product POV. GitHub still runs as a separate company (different logins and health care and hiring systems) with its own policies and point of view. That's what we said about the Skype…

Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is th…

> Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts

Corporate standard at my place of work. I hate Hangouts with a passion. It's the worst messenger, feature- and UI- wise that I've seen for years.

> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack)

No it isn't. Used Teams at another company which adopted it as the standard. Couple of years ago. Feature-wise it was like a proof of concept, very early access.

> Additionally, the major revenue source was Business tier use, which Microsoft dramatically improved by integrating it with their other cloud-based business suite applications.

Again, I worked at another company where Skype for Business was the standard and nobody ever used it unless they needed formal IT help or something.

All the teams I'm acquainted with at my current place refuse to communicate on Hangouts and, in violation of corporate policies use something else like Slack or Mattermost.

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