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Post by x220 »

int_19h wrote: post #206
x220 wrote: post #188

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Pornography is a symptom of the commodification of sex, much like legal prostitution, sugar-daddies, and even the transactional swiping hookup apps that dominate dating among lower age groups. It is the tendency of a capital-dominated culture to turn everything into a commodity that is bought and sold; sex is merely one element that this system has consumed. After the wide acceptance of the birth control pill, the tr…

Sex was bought and sold long before capitalism, though. And I don't even mean prostitution, although that one is obvious. But in traditional patriarchal societies, brides are often effectively bought and sold, and sex is a part of that package. The difference is whether the benefactor is the woman herself, or somebody else. In a very cynical sense, in a traditional society, women are "capital" of a very special kind…

In America we are seeing the acceleration of sex commodification to it's zenith.

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Post by x220 »

zelly wrote: post #263
x220 wrote: post #173

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That's why you don't use a shitcoin, you use Monero.

I heard sex workers actually do use Monero when they use crypto (not BTC). It's funny how the supposedly bad UX doesn't matter when there's a compelling reason to use it.

That's really interesting.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #557
noobermin wrote: post #521

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The cop out for "protected classes" is one of the serious failures of the New Left in the US and past generation progressive attempts to wrangle with social issues. It's one of the reasons you have things like clamoring for representation in small dwindling influential places (the meme is "more trans women drone pilots") whilst ignoring systemic issues like how Flint, Michigan still doesn't have drinking water. I've…

Definitely a gigantic failure. Why not offer protection for everyone and treat them the same? Praise your literacy all you want, doesn't matter if the performance and strategies of political representatives are abysmal. And the concept of treating people equally seems to be beyond comprehension.

> Why not offer protection for everyone

That is how protected classes are defined. Everyone is in multiple protected classes.

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Post by Chris2048 »

nintendo1889 wrote: post #418
RileyJames wrote: post #377

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This debate is currently brewing in Australia, except its against providing services to mining companies. When is right / wrong to boycott? And who should be allowed to? (Persons or companies) Context: in Australia the prime minister (Scott Morrison) is looking into laws to ban boycotts by companies (who are being compelled by people / public opinion)

Think about refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals. How is this any different?

Bake a generic cake for homosexuals, or bake a homosexual cake?

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Post by yati »

hsailor wrote: post #558
Bombthecat wrote: post #513

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Forbidden in germany. There is literally a law, which basically says: everyone needs to have and is allowed to have a banking account.

A jedermann Konto or Basiskonto refers only to a personal account. If a client uses this account for commercial activities (eg receiving payments in the said industry), the bank has every right to close the account.

So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?

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Post by Corrado »

Corrado wrote: post #561
xtracto wrote: post #277

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The problem for those providers is often not their own morals per se. But the fear of being related to certain verticals. This oftentimes has a real impact on lost deals from other companies that do have a moral judgment and wont do business with you if you are related say to marijuana selling companies.

In that case, wouldn't this be a great opportunity to start a payment processor that (mainly) deals with these "fringe" verticals? What's stopping someone from creating MoralPay (or whatever) that accepts all money from adult entertainment, dispensaries, etc. From what I understand there is a huge market for processing legal monies from these types of businesses, especially dispensaries. Is it too difficult in 2019 t…

I think this might answer my question: https://marker.medium.com/the-companies-venture-capital-isnt... Would "Vice Ventures" fund a "vice" payment processor? It seems like it would be right up their alley.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

RileyJames wrote: post #377
bcheung wrote: post #247

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I've had several friends in the adult industry have their checking accounts closed at a several major banks as well. Traditional banking should definitely not be discriminating against fully legal activities.

This debate is currently brewing in Australia, except its against providing services to mining companies. When is right / wrong to boycott? And who should be allowed to? (Persons or companies) Context: in Australia the prime minister (Scott Morrison) is looking into laws to ban boycotts by companies (who are being compelled by people / public opinion)

It's fine for 99% of companies to do boycotting. But something like payment processing is a critical utility, and needs to be available in reasonably convenient form to everyone.

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Post by mtrovo »

jotm wrote: post #569
blkhawk wrote: post #567

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yes, why wouldn't it be?

So that couldn't have been the reason for account closure, I meant :)

Don’t know if it’s only in Germany but banks here don’t need to give you any reason to close your account. There are some stories of how every time they tweak N26 Risk ML there’s a wave of termination letters to customers that didn’t do anything wrong. A bunch of friends got affected by this a while a go, they didn’t do anything wrong and the bank refused to give any reason at all for the termination.

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Post by tluyben2 »

barsonme wrote: post #555
tluyben2 wrote: post #528

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Or just fix that system; here (EU) it is not all that easy to chargeback (and impossible in many cases) because payments are secured; if you yell fraud, they will start an investigation (mostly automated); if the IP you paid from was around your house, you filled in correct info, you did 3dsecure (which is used on all my cards now; I had a few that did not have it and they got frauded, but a simple check showed it co…

Pretty much everything you mentioned under "secured" payments occurs in the US, too.

Why is it so easy to charge back then? If it's secured then they know it was you... Unless you have a police report saying you were coerced, forced, something was stolen?
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