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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by Departed7405 »

illliillll wrote: post #549
dataengineer56 wrote: post #533

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CONCACAF and UEFA almost always vote together, but they are far outnumbered by every other region and FIFA only needs a majority vote for a rule to pass. You're excluding about half of the planet by only mentioning Africa.

FIFA can't really exist in any way similar to it's current form without UEFA > You're excluding about half of the planet by only mentioning Africa. It's the half of the planet that nobody cares about when it comes to football.

The issue is every federation - whether they never qualified for the world cup or won final(s) - gets one vote. This has become a big issue, with any proposal to give more money (even if that entails compromising on key principles) to federations (by making more money) is almost certain to pass because of very poor FAs that need it / want it desperately.

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Post by probably_wrong »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #504
rimeice wrote: post #346

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Blame FIFA for giving the contest to the US to host

Did this not happen before the current administration?

The bid was accepted in 2018, during Trump's first presidency. So both yes and no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup_bids

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by enaaem »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #486
crote wrote: post #443

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Easy: it was going to be a (mostly) closed competition. Competition gets boring real fast when it is always the same handful of teams. When there are no real consequences to losing, winning becomes meaningless. Bayern v Chelsea matches stop being as interesting when every game is a Bayern v Chelsea match and most of them have no real impact either way. On the other hand, football becomes most interesting when it's a…

That’s the same justification my German friend made. I guess it’s American viewpoint vs European. The Super League would have been like the NFL in the US, where every team can beat any other any given night. That’s much more appealing to me, but to each their own.

In the Champions League the top, let’s say, 16 teams can all beat each other, so that part of the NFL experience is still there. The thing is that these top 16 teams change every year and there is no clear definition which clubs are top teams at the moment. But that’s the charm of it.

Football is very tribal. People want to dream that their local club have a shot to participate and maybe win the Champions league. Think of Leicester and Girona. In the Netherlands there is now a club called NEC and they have a shot to qualify for it, and that by itself is a historic moment for the club.

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Post by Departed7405 »

ctxc wrote: post #503
fuddle wrote: post #479

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Unfortunately they are needed now. "The 2026 FIFA World Cup was the hottest World Cup since the competition began in 1930. A Guardian analysis found that close to 20 percent of matches were played under heat and humidity conditions that FIFPRO, the players' union, has flagged as dangerous enough to warrant delaying or postponing play. Some 20 games were played at wet bulb globe temperatures that hit or exceeded 28 de…

20 games, of 104? Not to mention games were played in indoor air conditioned stadiums. MLS already has a system where a game has a break only when it reaches 28deg C for a period of x minutes

Not to mention that they played games in the afternoon which isn't the best time for heat, and for a pure water break, 90 seconds is probably enough.

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Post by Hamuko »

dataengineer56 wrote: post #533
madradavid wrote: post #208

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CONCACAF join UEFA and reject FIFA's World Cup sell-off plan. https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/49488584/uefa-boycott... . By the end of this Gianni Infantino will only be left with the Africans .I am African and these Federations will do anything to keep him around because of the unprecedented amounts of corruption...

CONCACAF and UEFA almost always vote together, but they are far outnumbered by every other region and FIFA only needs a majority vote for a rule to pass. You're excluding about half of the planet by only mentioning Africa.

UEFA leaving already leaves a pretty big gaping hole in any future FIFA tournament, since it'd exclude Spain (1st), England (3rd), France (4th), Norway (5th), Belgium (6th), Switzerland (joint 7th), Portugal (13th), Netherlands (17th), Germany (18th), Croatia (20th), Sweden (27th), Austria (28th), Bosnia and Herzegovina (29th).

That's 75% of the final four and of the quarterfinals, 44% of the round of 16. Then if you add CONCACAF into the mix, it comes to 63% of the RO16.

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Post by Rygian »

mmonaghan wrote: post #452
NKosmatos wrote: post #398

“Football’s future cannot be dictated by the expectations of those whose first duty is to maximise financial return.” Very well said…replace the word football with internet/technology/web/research/university or so many others and you might understand why this single powerful phrase is so important.

Platitudes sound nice but in the real world you need incentives and there are plenty. Other than real madrid and barcelona and a few italian clubs, very few euro clubs are run as non-profits. Easy to argue that maximizing financial return is the reason football has grown in prominence over the last 20-30 years. I say that but I also agree i dont think fifa or any of the regional orgs need more or any financial incent…

> in the real world you need incentives

There is no implication that "having incentives" must be interpreted as "considering profit maxxing as the first and foremost goal".

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Post by ornornor »

jurgenburgen wrote: post #541
ornornor wrote: post #509

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That’s not Africa only. When a corruption scandal comes up (bribing, lobbying), I’m often surprised at how cheap it was to buy the official. It’s often in the 10–50k eur region.

The average person is remarkably bad with money. It should not surprise us that politicians are no exception.

You’d think that for risking jail time etc the price would be much higher.

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Post by igleria »

triceratops wrote: post #21
haunter wrote: post #9

I think the mandatory ad break introduced by FIFA at the World Cup was also too much for most football people, not just fans. Changed too much, broke the dynamics, basically the sport became a game of 4 quarters instead of 2 halves. These two things combined together are just over the top and unacceptable (UEFA already said they won't use these mandatory ad breaks anywhere) This is the closest where I can see a futur…

Of all the things wrong with the World Cup, the most inconsequential ones - hydration breaks and the final half-time show - have attracted the most griping.

I don't know one single non american who enjoyed that ludicrous display of a half time show. And don't get me started on mr scientology giving a stupid speech. oh my god.

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Post by wongarsu »

Departed7405 wrote: post #560
skywhopper wrote: post #287

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This statement is weak and wishy-washy compared to the blunt UEFA statement. Kudos to Europe. Here’s hoping CONCACAF can get brave enough to take the moral stance as well.

Yeah, they just rejected the proposal. Meanwhile, UEFA is boycotting the game until those plans are DEFINITELY abandoned. I am wondering whether UEFA could even ask for a change in FIFA statute to ensure it can never be proposed again.

FTA: "As a result of today’s discussion, no UEFA national teams will participate in any FIFA competition for so long as these proposals remain alive, unless this proposal has been abandoned in its entirety and binding assurances have been given that FIFA will never again open its governance or competitions to private ownership." (emphasis mine)

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Post by wongarsu »

Departed7405 wrote: post #561
illliillll wrote: post #549

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FIFA can't really exist in any way similar to it's current form without UEFA > You're excluding about half of the planet by only mentioning Africa. It's the half of the planet that nobody cares about when it comes to football.

The issue is every federation - whether they never qualified for the world cup or won final(s) - gets one vote. This has become a big issue, with any proposal to give more money (even if that entails compromising on key principles) to federations (by making more money) is almost certain to pass because of very poor FAs that need it / want it desperately.

Yeah, but if UEFA stays true to their word, passing this proposal is guaranteed to lead to the end of a FIFA-led world cup. They have the votes to privatize the world cup, but in doing so would destroy the very thing they are trying to privatize, and likely destroy FIFA as a whole

Meanwhile UEFA can just get together with South America and form a new governing body for a new world cup

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