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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dzhiurgis »

imtringued wrote: post #555
this_user wrote: post #223

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You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

Honestly, this is exclusively about money. xAI and X were complete money pits, Tesla's brand was tarnished and SpaceX was the only remaining untainted brand but it has an obvious problem. Starship didn't turn out to be the obvious victory that Musk had in mind. He basically threw away the Falcon 9 mindset of incremental progress and is instead trying to use a completely different methodology on what amounts to be a v…

> They're probably saving a billion USD per year just from the debt restructuring

Cool. Sounds like a wise financial management. Musk's early background is actually in finance.

People call him software and physics but rarely remember he's a finance genius too.

p.s. you probably wanna have a look how indebted legacy auto is compared with Tesla. That's why merger with SpaceXAI makes sense.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dzhiurgis »

LastTrain wrote: post #251
andsoitis wrote: post #227

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Relative to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google in the AI space? Absolutely.

David was a good vs evil with an order of magnitude fewer resources on the good side. XAi is evil vs evil with comparable resources on each side. Now this is where I know you’re MAGA because as I’ve said a million times you guys don’t do fair comparisons.

Did we forget how XAI meant to be uncensored model (because censorship is a lie and lying models cannot be good)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by aikinai »

hello4263 wrote: post #509
aikinai wrote: post #491

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Weird how other people can put up more money and not be able to make the same things as Musk’s companies.

The people with that level of money are very few.

Companies aren't funded by one person, even his. After their current round, Blue Origin will have raised more than three times as much capital as SpaceX, and SpaceX is obviously far more advanced and has already gone public.

Rivian used ten times more capital to reach their first delivery and twenty times more before their IPO as compared to Tesla.

It looks like it's not Musk's money making his companies successful.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Gigachad wrote: post #332
dimgl wrote: post #331

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> Your product's brand name is mud. It is?

Yes, to the average person grok is known for generating csam, mechahitler, and undressing people for sexual harassment. And to tech people it’s now known for stealing your files.

Ever wondered why mass media didn't amplify the same news about chatgpt which did exactly the same?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by davedx »

behnamoh wrote: post #328
rddbs wrote: post #211

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Alright I’ll bite. Why do harnesses require so much code?

Because a harness doesn't just "drive" the LLM. e.g., there's code in claude code that detects if the user's prompt shows they're angry, and they react to those prompts differently. (they use regex on "wtf", etc.!)

Come on. That doesn't go anywhere near explaining a million and a half LOC

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by KingMob »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #500
KingMob wrote: post #492

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Might want to double-check that one, chief. xAI itself disagrees with you. They admitted in court that Grok was used to generate CSAM: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/15/business/xai-sues-user-al...

Them attempting to claim something in a lawsuit doesn't make it a fact. Nothing mentioned in those claims is CSAM.

xAI literally says in their own lawsuit, "Defendant breached the xAI Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy by leveraging Grok to generate non-consensual sexually explicit images and CSAM".

"CSAM" is literally right there. If you think know better than xAI itself, take it up with them.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jdiff »

timmmmmmay wrote: post #401
jdiff wrote: post #385

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They're not filling datacenters with 3090s. With the amount of headache and the amount of infrastructure needed to support those beasts, do they even have a resale price at all? Or just scrap value?

you know you can just log onto eBay and see what the price of a used H100 is. nobody is stopping you

Wasn't thinking of H100s either. I spoke of infrastructure support, and I was being literal. A herd of GB200s needs a building built to stringent specifications to house them.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jdiff »

exodust wrote: post #480
jdiff wrote: post #278

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No other model is so easy to generate such things. No model is so negligent in adding safeguards. I've seen it generate such things in response to a post that was clearly labeled as a 4th grader. The person you are talking to is responding to instances like that. They're not asking for it, that's obnoxiously silly and disingenuous.

Sounds like you've tried generating such things. You've seen things people wouldn't believe. Inappropriate AI images off the shoulder of Orion, etc. Now the counter-weight over-compensation. Insisting the tool "doesn't have enough safeguards". Could it be that our AI usage innocence is related to how much we criticise the tool for not policing us enough? Meanwhile the rest of us have never seen such images because we…

This is in headlines, dude. This smear attempt is intellectually dishonest and eyeroll inducing.
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