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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by dadoum »

Gareth321 wrote: post #392
TacticalCoder wrote: post #372

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And there are many other legitimate questions: where are the celebrities speaking up to defend the cause of the iranian protesters? Where are the students in western universities protesting against what the iranian regime did? Where's the International Court of Justice's condemnation of iranian politicians? Where's the flotilla led by Greta Thumberg in support of the iranian people? There are, IMO, very grave and ver…

The last few years has made me extremely cynical. I am beginning to think we don't see the protests because the bad guys are brown and Muslim, and people in those circles are not allowed to criticise brown Muslims. I've seen a weak defense that "our government isn't funding this," but our governments aren't funding the Sudanese Civil War in which 150,000 have died to date, and there is still radio silence in those sa…

Sorry, I don't understand your last argument.

You are criticising protesters who claim to not talk about the Iranian exactions because their government is not funding it, by pointing out that they are not protesting against the Sudanese Civil War either? I may have misunderstood but their government is probably also not funding that war so it's consistent isn't it?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by busterarm »

tinco wrote: post #479
FilosofumRex wrote: post #382

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There was no need for the 15 year old boy who told me this traumatic story of how his sister was killed in his own house to make that story up, because just the fact that they're a liberal family coming from Iran would have been enough information for them to get a visa to stay in The Netherlands based on political persecution. This happened during Clinton, if you're counting history in US presidencies. And also it d…

The fact that the person you're responding to even still has a functioning HN account after their post history leaves me shocked and honestly appalled at the moderation of the site.

I've been told off repeatedly and threatened with all kinds of consequences by dang and I haven't come close to postings like this.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by busterarm »

awakeasleep wrote: post #118
redwood wrote: post #54

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It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

It’s similar to how so many people dismiss Cuban American views on Cuba just because the cuban americans were mostly the ownership class that had to flee the revolution.

And they ignore that Cuba has had a steady stream of poor Cubans leaving for here spanning decades all saying the exact same things.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwaw12 »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market

you are looking it differently, I disagree, I am one of those who supported Palestine.

Reason we are silent, because our governments already did what's needed from our side: heavily sanctioned the Iran, if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me. Obviously, I am not going to protest and ask our government to go to war with Iran, which kills even more people.

Why is it different for Israel? Because our government supported it, we didn't sanction them, that was what we were asking for, while brutality was even higher than Iranian regime.

Not trying to downplay casualties, but just looking at relative numbers and methods, I don't see Iran bombing own people or killing 10% of its own population

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by undersuit »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

The US liberal party worked with the conservative party to cause the conditions that furthered unrest. Sanctions.

And the US liberal party did similar attacks on the Palestinian people so it's consistent.

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #544
throwforthings wrote: post #447

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My spouse (Bangladeshi) and I (not) went to a rally in Jackson Heights when the first protests were going on and we were surprised by how pro-Islamist the crowd leaned, from their signs and chants. We jumped on video with my in-laws at one point and they were even like "oh no you guys should leave, these young people are Islamists". It seems to be true across the Muslim world. My father is from North Africa, and any…

I have family around Jackson Heights and one is reposting stuff from Jamaat-e-Islami (the main Islamist party) on FB. It’s very odd. I saw lots of younger Bangladeshis supporting the overthrow of the Awami League government (the most secular of the parties). I wasn’t sure if it was people who just didn’t realize it would leave a vacuum for Islamists, or or people who wanted that. It seems there’s some of both.

My boss was a BNP supporter (at one point I deduced) and regularly used to tell me that Chhatra league was as bad or worse than Shibir.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by g8oz »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #388
dominicrose wrote: post #160

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There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

> civilians aren't the target in Gaza The "Where's Daddy" program in Israel tells the opposite story. They take anyone designated a target, track them home, then send rockets to their home to take out their family. There's dozens of documented events like this happening to doctors working to save casualties, finding out their entire family was killed. After seeing the highly targeted attacks in Iran that Israel was c…

You're being down voted by supporters of Zionist genocide against Palestinians, but this is exactly correct.

Supporters of Israel ignore inconvenient facts and patterns of behavior.

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Post by RobertoG »

dominicrose wrote: post #160
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

Civilians aren't the target in Gaza?

The target in Gaza is, very clearly, to get rid of the civilians. Not only in Gaza but in the West Bank.

They want to annex all that if they have to kill civilians they will kill civilians. In fact, they don't even hide it, just go to check the statements from members of the Israeli government.

That's the reality 'no matter what your beliefs are', by the way.

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Post by breppp »

throwaw12 wrote: post #564
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market you are looking it differently, I disagree, I am one of those who supported Palestine. Reason we are silent, because our governments already did what's needed from our side: heavily sanctioned the Iran, if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me. Obviously, I am not going…

> if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me.

That's a very weird take I see repeated over and over again

You don't protest only to get your government to do something, the protests against Israel expectedly did not meaningfully change US relations with Israel yet you still presumably went out

you can express solidarity with Iranians, you can protest the massacre, or just make people be aware there are thousands dying

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Post by hersko »

epsters wrote: post #559
hersko wrote: post #515

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This is a wild take. You think the arab spring, Syrian revolution, Libyan revolution, Iraq war, interventions in Somalia and Sudan etc.. we're all CIA operations at the behest of Israel? Seriously?

I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

Your brain is fried. To think one tiny country is controlling and directing all world events is just laughable.
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