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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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> Checks and balances are just words. By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.

Would you consider habeas corpus a critical element of rule of law?

There's been loose talk, but no violations of habeas corpus orders.

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As if the powers that be at YCombinator wouldn't roll over for Trump like all the other tech quislings.

Would you characterize Harvard as rolling over for Trump?

No, the opposite!

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Even more specific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

From the wikipedia article:

> Curtis Yarvin began constructing the basis of the ideology in the late 2000

Ah yes of course this dude is involved. The more I read about Curtis Y, the more I believe he suffers from some sort of undiagnosed mental illness.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Checks and balances are just words. By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.

> The Trump administration obeys the courts No they don't: https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sud...

That is happening, but it's a narrow instance. It doesn't mean there aren't serious issues, but the GGP said, "Checks and balances are just words." Obviously that is not true.

Also, Trump is relying on Congress to pass bills, for example. It's not rule by decree.

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> They should just end their DEI programs and comply with federal law, it's literally that simple.

Columbia tried to comply with their made up "federal law" requirements to try to get their funding restored and instead got more cut, so...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Harvard has been extraordinarily badly-behaved for decades. The state is applying what pressure it can to force the Harvard administrators to reconsider such behavior. I fail to see what’s so revolting about such a strategy.

What do you mean by badly-behaved? I would love to see some examples. I am genuinely asking by the way, very curious about your thoughts.

Off the top of my head: Harvard has been ranked last in FIRE’s freedom of speech rankings; has allowed an authoritarian intellectual monoculture to calcify over the past 2 decades; has allowed its administration to balloon in cost, headcount, and power relative to its students and faculty; has repeatedly allowed (and even supported) violent and disruptive protests on its campus; has elected an unqualified plagiarist to its office of president due to her group affiliations rather than her merit and qualifications; has allowed that same (thankfully now ex-)president to clandestinely attempt to destroy the career of a faculty member whose research findings she disliked; has discriminated against students of a particular group in terms of admissions; etc.

I don’t particularly want to be funding an institution which behaves like that, so I’m glad this administration is pressuring it to do better in order to enjoy the public’s largesse.

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People didn't have good choices. There was plenty to not like about the Democrats as well. You can argue who is worse, or even if the concerns are valid, but there are plenty of things many people don't like about how the democrats use their power. As such what was a voter to do? There are a long list of things, and most people are not willing accept that "their side" does anything someone else might not like. Doesn'…

This is not a "both sides are bad" issue. Literally one side was openly advertising a culture revolution and remaking the US into a fascist state and the other side was using policies to improve minority participation in institutions. Even if you were completely opposed to "woke" issues, the alternative was voting for a dictator.

Quit shooting the messanger and think. if you cannot understand your ophonents you are no better than them.

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i'd guess this kind of thing (per-institutional authorization to allow international students) was intended to provide the government a way to revoke that right from "sham" institutions (wonder if Trump University ever had international students?) or ones that otherwise were obviously trying to facilitate students skirting or abusing immigration law. not that i agree with that anyways (citizenship is stupid, borders…

Chesterton's fence is way too relevant, when it comes to the "citizenship is stupid, borders are stupid, countries are stupid blah blah blah" part.

It seems that the amount of fences is growing up exponentially. To the point that we are all corralled. Not so long time ago people could move from country to country relatively freely. Now it is a fucking tragedy

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

I don't get how DHS has control over what universities foreign students can attend. Either than can attend school in the US or not. Saying they have to transfer from Harvard to another American university is total abuse of power. Surely there are lawsuits in the works over this.

The F/J exhange visa is tied to a specific sponsor (ie the University) for a very specific goal. There are a lot of restrictions on what you can and can't do. If your visa sponsor has its privilege revoked then presumably you have a choice to transfer to a different institute, if one will take you, or leave the country.

There is a mechanism for that transfer built into the visa, which could be used for example if your professor moved institutions and wanted to re-hire you to fulfil the original goals of your exchange program.

It's unclear if this affects all foreign academic staff, many of whom who would be on the J, or just the F visa.

Edit: apparently all exhange visas.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

The best source I've seen for understanding the underlying power dynamics at play is the DHS's Press Release: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/05/22/harvard-university-loses... Here's the beginning: WASHINGTON – Today, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered DHS to terminate the Harvard University’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification. This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign student…

> Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country.

Remember when people were really mad about weaponizing the government? I guess that's okay now. Good to know.

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