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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by astroid »

mmastrac wrote: post #168
astroid wrote: post #134

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Wrong on all three: 1) The victims of yesterday's attack were overwhelmingly terrorist soldiers and mid-level management which fits the definition of surgical. If the results of this operation are as good as suggested by all the early reports, they just carved a major hole in the upper ranks of the organization (not even including the major damage they've caused over the last six months with surgical strikes on leade…

1) The victims of yesterday's attack were overwhelmingly terrorist soldiers and mid-level management which fits the definition of surgical. If the results of this operation are as good as suggested by all the early reports, they just carved a major hole in the upper ranks of the organization (not even including the major damage they've caused over the last six months with surgical strikes on leaders).*

2) We don't have confirmation that's it's them (but it likely is), and we know far more than that: we know that it incapacitated thousands of members of a designated terrorist organization with minimal impact outside of them.*

"We know for sure this was super-surgical and ONLY killed the 'bad guy club', and since they are in the 'bad guy club' it was done by good guys clearly. Also we don't actually know if it was the 'good guy club', but we know without a doubt they are surgical." -- as if the Hannibal Directive, ethnic cleansing, and colonization are all so super-surgical and precise. Preposterous.

*3) Well, that's just your opinion, man.*

Well it sure seems like the International Criminal Court, UN, and other world bodies are starting to open their eyes.

This isn't the 50's anymore -- media is not controllable in the same way. israels crimes against all of humanity are coming to light.

That's like, a matter of historical record man. With 'allies' like these, who needs enemies?

There is absolutely no way you can argue 'anti-bds' laws are not in violation of the first amendment and be serious. Especially given that for many government jobs you MUST sign them to get hired.

A foreign government that flatly refuses to registrer it's influence organization under FARA has taken away one of the most important rights of all Americans, whether they realize it or not.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by edanm »

pvaldes wrote: post #557
edanm wrote: post #543

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But Israel and Hezbollah are at war, and these are (reportedly) devices used by Hezbollah operatives. A war Hezbollah declared, btw.

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The reports say that these devices were specifically part of shipments that went specifically to Hezbollah.

Which makes sense - I don't think the US Army is using the same walkies that a random hospital in the US uses, for example.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ordinaryradical »

There’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” reaction that I have to this.

I think we expect better of democracies, which is why these kinds of attacks shock us. But it is interesting that we are unsurprised when Lebanon/Hezbollah uses terror tactics but it quickly becomes a news event when Israel responds in kind.

Ironic because drone bombings like we did in Afghanistan would probably have a much more terrible collateral damage effect but be less newsworthy. But somehow boobytrapping radios and pagers pricks our conscience. Maybe because it feels more personal, intimate, and therefore retributive?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ivan_gammel »

ineedasername wrote: post #522
ivan_gammel wrote: post #485

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I'm not saying it could have been worse. I'm saying it has been worse and usually is worse. Otherwise: 1) UN Resolution: Done 2) Camp-David (or other such): Hezbollah has repeatedly refused to engage in any negotiations. 3) Something New: Okay, but until a never-before-seen peace genius comes up with that, and given the ineffectiveness of #1 and #2, we're left with the status quo where less bad options are the awful…

> UN Resolution: Done

Well, not exactly. The recent actions of Hezbollah are connected to Palestinian cause. If Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved, what does it leave to Hezbollah? It may not collapse, but Palestine becomes a major political factor. That’s the reason I mentioned Camp-David and „something new“. If statehood of Palestine is secured and adequate solution for refugees is offered, it will be the key to resolution of many conflicts in that region.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by loeg »

wut42 wrote: post #533
tptacek wrote: post #213

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Under International Humanitarian Law it absolutely does make it OK if the owner of the phone is a militant. This is black letter Law of Armed Combat.

No! >Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully ind…

These are not booby traps.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by pvaldes »

lm28469 wrote: post #285
newspaper1 wrote: post #265

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I wouldn't be surprised if this went well beyond Lebanon. It's time to start really scrutinizing our tech supply chain. I won't use any Israeli tech going forward.

These things weren't made in Israel nor by Israeli companies. If a state wants you dead you're cooked anyways

>These things weren't made in Israel nor by Israeli companies.

Somebody must had put the bombs on these things

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by gizmondo »

seydor wrote: post #412
yuvalr1 wrote: post #401

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Unfortunately, you are seriously uninformed. Israel and Hezbolla are in active war for more than 11 months now. On a side note, I think people should strive to be more humble when they talk about issues they don't understand, or understand very little.

even though incidents happened on both sides, neither side has started an 'active war' against the other. plus, we don't know who tampered with those devices

Hezbollah has been firing rockets at Israel, how more active does it need to get? The notion that Israel just need to take it and can't go after the organization that conducts such attacks is absurd.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by Log_out_ »

"The hand that giveth taketh.." feelings. Planing atracks on the fab on a laptop whose core was made in that fab, should make one aware og consequences.

Hezbollah and iran do not seem to have somebody sampling hardware ordered for defects and alterations. Basic military and state ability . You couldn't do such attacks on functional organisations.

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Post by pvaldes »

skc wrote: post #189

Imagine the paranoia that must be flooding Hezbollah right now. You can't function without your electronics...but you can't trust them at all now. You don't even know how many or which of your gadgets have been compromised to spy on you and for how long. Massive, massive L.

replace all the batteries right now? remove it from every one of your devices and wait some hours to see if other devices explode?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by greedylizard »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #563

There’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” reaction that I have to this. I think we expect better of democracies, which is why these kinds of attacks shock us. But it is interesting that we are unsurprised when Lebanon/Hezbollah uses terror tactics but it quickly becomes a news event when Israel responds in kind. Ironic because drone bombings like we did in Afghanistan would probably have a much more terrible co…

I wasn’t aware those terrorists organizations had exploded devices in public spaces. Please share your source.
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