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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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A big red flag for me was that Sundar was prompting the model to report lots of facts that can be either true or false. We all saw the benchmark figures that they published and the results mostly showed marginal improvements. In other words, the issue of hallucination has not been solved. But the demo seemed to imply that it had. My conclusion was that they had mostly cherry picked instances in which the model happen…

These LLMs do not have a concept of factual correctness and are not trained/optimized as such. I find it laughable that people expect these things to act like quiz bots - this misunderstands the nature of a generative LLM entirely. It simply spits out whatever output sequence it feels is most likely to occur after your input sequence. How it defines “most likely” is the subject of much research, but to optimize for f…

> because for certain prompts, the approximate consensus of all available text on the internet is pretty much true

I think you're slightly mischaracterising things here. It has potential to be at least slightly and possibly much better than that. This is evidenced by the fact it is much better than chance at answering "novel" questions that don't have a direct source in the training data. Why it can do it is because at a certain point, to solve the optimisation problem of "what word comes next" the least complex strategy actually becomes to start modeling principles of logic and facts connecting them. It is not in any systematic or reliable way so you can't ever guarantee when or how well it is going to apply these, but it is absolutely learning higher order patterns than simple text / pattern matching, and it is absolutely able to generalise these across topics.

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The whole Gemini webpage and contents felt weird to me, it's in the uncanny valley of trying to look and feel like an Apple marketing piece. The hyperbolic language, surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity, unnecessary animations and the sales pitch from the CEO felt like a small player in the field trying to pass as a big one.

> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

Of course to normal people, this just seems like another Google keynote. If OP is counting the number of white people, maybe they're the weird one here.

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It's funny because now the OpenAI keynote feels like it's emulating the Google keynotes from 5 years ago. Google Keynote feels like it's emulating the Apple keynote from 5 years ago. And the Apple keynote looks like robots just out of an uncanny valley pretending to be humans - just like keynotes might look in 5 years, but actually made by AI. Apple is always ahead of the curve in keynote trends.

You know those memes where AI keeps escalating a theme to more extreme levels with each request? That's what Apple keynotes feel like now. It seems like each year, they're trying to make their presentations even more essentially 'Apple.' They crossed the uncanny valley a long time ago.

"make it feel more like a hospital"

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> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

Agreed with your comment. This is every marketing department on the planet right now, and it's not a bad thing IMO. Can feel a bit forced at times, but it's better than the alternative.

The alternative being showing actual level of diversity in the company?

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Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

> It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". Garbage in, garbage out.

Creativity is a good thing, sad to see trust abused this way.

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This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

It's the curse of the golden goose.

They can't do anything that threatens their main income. They are tied to ads and ads technology, and can't do anything about it.

Microsoft had a crisis and that drives focus. Google... they probably mistreat their good employees if they don't work on ads.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Sounds very familiar... UoM, UK ? :)

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

#569

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

The view up on that high horse must be interesting! Were you the kid who reminded teachers about homework?

Literally all that matters is that they passed.

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Also hard to say it’s really true. OpenAI is certainly, is Microsoft without OpenAI’s tech eating Google’s lunch?

Given MSFT's level of investment in OpenAI, and all the benefits that accrue from it, they're one and the same.

It is yet to be seen if MSFT has actually gained a benefit. Maybe from marketing perspective it has insane potential to print big bucks, but it is a bit too soon to announce that the efforts to deliver Copilot (all tools+agents) far and wide was/is successful.

We'll get a definitive answer in a few years. Til then, OpenAI benefits from the $ value from their end of products, MSFT eats the compute costs, but also gets a stock bump.

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