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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by chc »

icare_1er wrote: post #503
gregshap wrote: post #444

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VF = Visibility Filtering = "Shadow Banning"

Used to be another "conspiracy theory" yet again proven to be true.

No, everyone knew that this system existed for quite some time. The site's UI even surfaces it by hiding some filtered tweets behind a "view more" button. The conspiracy theory is that the feature was used specifically to silence conservatives for their political views, or that huge conservative accounts that showed up everywhere were somehow suffering from it when their latest brain enhancement pill sale didn't go well enough.

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Post by penultimatename »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #451
yosefk wrote: post #389

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I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

>it is illegal for the government to "outsource censorship" to private parties in order to silence speech protected by 1A. A relative of DNC's Podesta or an FBI lawyer working for Twitter add to the impression more than the legal argument I guess. This is the entire story, but lede buried by MuskHate. Does no one out here realize this is the same hate-everything-acknowledge-nothing behavior regarding Trump? That you…

The disclosures actually showed that the Trump government and Biden campaign both requested removals. But only one of those two is a government entity and (oddly) evidence of that government entity's request was left out of the disclosures. Talk about burying the lede.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kergonath »

purephase wrote: post #440
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

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I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

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> I know this site will always continue to support Musk

I agree with your other points, but this is missing the mark. There is some degree of editorial control over what “this site” publishes, but none on the comments (you’d had to go quite far to get banned). “This site” is not a homogenous single-minded entity. And you don’t have to dig far to see both stories and comments very critical of Musk. I happen to share that point of view, but that’s besides the point.

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Post by tibbydudeza »

purephase wrote: post #440
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

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The Musk cult don't care - they are bedazzled by their shiny toys.

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone1234 wrote: post #412
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

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I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

He can do what he likes, but he remains open for criticism for those actions (in particular when the hypocrisy is self-evident). Why do people feel the need to respond to valid criticism with "well technically they're ALLOWED to do [thing]?" That's neither here nor there.

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Post by meepmorp »

shkkmo wrote: post #499
dt3ft wrote: post #476

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Isn’t the data publicly available anyway?

The data isn't publicly available from the government because the plane is on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts Thus the only public source is from the company ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data.

The data are broadcast from the plane itself, though, for the explicit purpose of allowing the plane's location to be known. That's definitely public data.

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Post by gfodor »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #181
gfodor wrote: post #131

Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

Taking public and legally published information from one website and putting it on another is not free speech? Excuse me? Every day I wake up and wonder what the free speech absolutist's new definition of free speech would be.

The principle of free speech is about protecting the marketplace of ideas. Broadcasting a person’s whereabouts continuously in a subscription feed is legally protected speech obviously but it’s not obviously a violation of the motivation for the principle of free speech to have such messages be against the Twitter rules.

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Post by devmor »

yanderekko wrote: post #368
devmor wrote: post #153

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If you respond to the reporting of non-editorialized, objective fact with the question "Is there an alternative narrative?", I think it is time to check your own biases.

I'm not disputing the fact that the account was banned, but the implicit assumption that people are making that it was banned simply because Musk woke up today and decided that he was tired of it.

I get that much. I'm asking why would you think that there is a narrative to this ban, given the content of recent events regard Musk's stewardship of Twitter.

Is there some context to this account's history regarding the Twitter Terms of Service that would legitimately lead you to think this?

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