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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by ericmay »

someguydave wrote: post #512
ericmay wrote: post #459

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Oh I agree, I’m just setting aside the typical whataboutism that springs to life when we’re talking about other ongoing criminal investigations. “But Hunter Biden’s laptop!” “But Hillary’s emails!” Etc.

one man's "whataboutism" is another man's "rule of law". If the issue is that these laws are expansive, vague, and difficult to enforce then they should be eliminated, not selectively enforced.

Sure. Lock them up along with everyone else. I don’t really care.

Here’s the growing list:

  Hillary Clinton
  Hunter Biden
  Donald Trump
  Matt Gaetz
  Lindsey Graham
  Kevin McCarthy
  Lauren Boebart
  Rudy Giuliani
  Whatever number of Jan 6th co-conspirators (growing list)
Let’s enforce the law right? Or are you going to play games and try to argue only Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden should have the law applied?

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Post by starkd »

hef19898 wrote: post #506
starkd wrote: post #498

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That's the point. Zuckerberg admits it was a mistake. Jack Dorsey admits it was a mistake. Be honest: you just favor the flagging because it upholds your opinion.

It upholds my opinion that journalism should, wt its core, be fact based. Otherwise it would be pure fiction, meaning propaganda. At least we moved on from "Hillary's E-Mails", so some progress.

It was fact based. Tony Bobulinski WAS a business partner of the Biden family. He had emails that confirmed much of what was on the laptop. That's just facts. They should be at least investigated and are ripe for journalism.

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Post by circumscribed »

naasking wrote: post #536
dinom wrote: post #495

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Rest assured that next time I'm arrested for trespassing I won't be calling you for legal advice.

Good because I'm not a lawyer, but what I said is still true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

Indeed the principle feels highly relevant.

The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #457
darth_avocado wrote: post #18

That’s a very bad take. What he said was: 1. FBI said there may be Russian propaganda coming, be on the lookout 2. They decided to allow posting of Hunter Biden story, but reduce the distribution while independent fact checkers confirm it 3. Then eventually allow the story to be distributed Calling it “censorship at behest of FBI” is very disingenuous and misrepresents the story. I think what they did was very reason…

I think a lot of people forgot how sketchy the laptop story seemed when it came out. Even conservative media sources like Tucker Carlson and the WSJ refused to touch it because the idea of Hunter Biden just leaving a water damaged laptop with a blind laptop repair guy (blind so the repair person could never testify to who left the laptop) just seemed so absurd.

Hunter Biden once rented a car which was then returned in the middle of the night with his driver's licenses and credit cards left behind, along with a crack pipe that had residue of cocaine on it. In addition, the car keys were left in the gas tank compartment instead of the car key drop box.

Do you actually know anyone who smokes crack? They don't always make the most sensible decisions.

I don't find the story absurd in the slightest.

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Post by albertopv »

beeboop wrote: post #488
lodovic wrote: post #293

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Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.

Also non-presidents: Hillary having an entire email server with classified information on it.

AFAIK, those informations where classified later. Anyway, Hillary did wrong but was still doing her job, Trump wasn't.

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Post by kamarg »

zimpenfish wrote: post #424
AzzieElbab wrote: post #418

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US Government is bound by first amendment, at least in theory

Suppose USGOV takes over Facebook, then is it bound by 1A for all users? Or just those in US jurisdictions? You'd surely need it to be taken over by a supra-national body like the UN, given it has a supra-national user base.

Pretty sure the Supreme Court has ruled that only US citizens, regardless of jurisdiction, are afforded rights laid out in the Constitution.

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Post by albertopv »

lodovic wrote: post #293
albertopv wrote: post #192

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2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.

Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.

You are talking about national library archive stuff, not something they brought home. Or do you have source about former presidents with classified docs at home for writing memories? I don't.

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Post by pstuart »

rendall wrote: post #347
pstuart wrote: post #338

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I'll double down on the quoted line. Do you care about the laptop because it's ostensibly proof of corruption or because it tarnishes the reputation of the sitting president? If it's the latter then go pound sand. If it's the former, then good, let's investigate and root out the corruption and address it in a court of law. But that requires being open to treating similar treatment of corruption by the prior administr…

It's buried in my own verbiage, but this is the thrust of my reply. If you rely, for your mental picture of what is ... important and what can be dismissed, on the same institutions that suppress true stories and promote false ones, then how even are you making these choices? At the risk of distracting you from answering that question, I'll answer yours: partisan feuding is destroying the US, so I absolutely put coun…

Ok, so corruption matters to you?

From my observations Trump (and his admin) were corrupt as can be. Small case in point: Jared Kushner's business dealings where he's gotten huge amounts of money whilst ostensibly serving as a government employee.

I could dig up citations if you demonstrated its veracity if you would take the time to review them.

Back to the Biden affair -- I've seen nothing of the corrupt board membership resulting in government interference from Joe Biden. A nice summary here: https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-johnson-grassley-repor...

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Post by [deleted] »

pstuart wrote: post #338
rendall wrote: post #164

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> I don't know all of the ins or outs, but my understanding is that it doesn't amount to anything, and certainly nothing in comparison to the entanglements of the Trump family. This is a pretty astounding sentence, but I would let it go, except that I see this all the time. It reads like a dismissal of the importance of the story because there is nothing that matches the unique danger of "the Trump family". Is that f…

I'll double down on the quoted line. Do you care about the laptop because it's ostensibly proof of corruption or because it tarnishes the reputation of the sitting president? If it's the latter then go pound sand. If it's the former, then good, let's investigate and root out the corruption and address it in a court of law. But that requires being open to treating similar treatment of corruption by the prior administr…

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

keerthiko wrote: post #254
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

I don't get it. Why did we ever consider the algorithms of private corporations as a fundamental or viable avenue for free speech to begin with? The owners and controllers of private algorithms will always have the ulterior motive(s) of protecting their interests. The fact that we (the software and information industry worldwide) have conditioned any society to think that algorithmic feeds are a representation of rea…

We've had the same problem with literal printing presses and their owners for hundreds of years.
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