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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by PKop »

phatfish wrote: post #486
PKop wrote: post #432

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>Ukraine to win as quick as possible It is not possible for Ukraine to win, they are slowly but methodically getting their country destroyed. What does Germany lighting money on fire funding this destruction do for German interests? How does this solve their energy needs? It doesn't, it along with sanctions makes energy more expensive. Where they used to be able to buy all energy in Euro's, now some of these purchase…

Ah yes, the word soup defense of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, do tell us more!

I told you a lot. You tell me something in opposition...

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by astrange »

Shadonototra wrote: post #528
astrange wrote: post #520

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> It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia Russia's been blatantly assassinating people across Europe for years and would invade Poland in a second for personal pleasure even if it caused an economic loss for them again. They haven't evolved past Mongol horde methods of living with their neighbors and are relying on everyone else always taking the "rational" result of appeasing them rather than fighting bac…

the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent They haven't evolved past Far West horde methods of living with their neighbors, they are killing each other with firearms and countless death in schools They let their people die, and their house burn because they have no money They impose trade sanction to whoever doesn't want to knee and show their submis…

> the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent

Have you noticed that literally nobody cares about this? Even the people we killed don’t care. Even Greenwald, who started this line of argument, doesn’t really care - he just hates Obama, he dropped it the second the next guy did it even more. (And Biden has completely stopped doing it.) Even you don’t care, you’re just doing whataboutism.

That’s because the ME countries aren’t actually allies just because they’re next to each other. More importantly, we don’t lie about it when asked, and we don’t use wacky spy methods like poison and radioactive weapons.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by astrange »

alaricus wrote: post #533
astrange wrote: post #520

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> It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia Russia's been blatantly assassinating people across Europe for years and would invade Poland in a second for personal pleasure even if it caused an economic loss for them again. They haven't evolved past Mongol horde methods of living with their neighbors and are relying on everyone else always taking the "rational" result of appeasing them rather than fighting bac…

America spent 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East, and we ended up having to take care of millions of refugees as a result. America is not a friend to Europe. We have no business joining America in a struggle against Russia.

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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by Shadonototra »

astrange wrote: post #562
Shadonototra wrote: post #528

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the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent They haven't evolved past Far West horde methods of living with their neighbors, they are killing each other with firearms and countless death in schools They let their people die, and their house burn because they have no money They impose trade sanction to whoever doesn't want to knee and show their submis…

> the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent Have you noticed that literally nobody cares about this? Even the people we killed don’t care. Even Greenwald, who started this line of argument, doesn’t really care - he just hates Obama, he dropped it the second the next guy did it even more. (And Biden has completely stopped doing it.) Even you don’t ca…

> Have you noticed that literally nobody cares about this?

well, it's like saying people left SF because the grass is greener the other side of the country, not because it'll be a nuclear warzone

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by leonry »

dmitrij wrote: post #436
leonry wrote: post #427

Why Magdeburg? I have a really hard time to find an argument that puts the city in an advantageous position relative to other competitor places (like Dresden, Munich agglomeration, Rhein/Main area, Hamburg agglomeration).

Already prepared grand space for industrial use with energy, water and public transport; 100% carbon neutral wind energy and very soon also water-neutrality were a few of the reasons given.

True, space is a selling point.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by roguas »

wazoox wrote: post #270
ISL wrote: post #171

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It is very important for national stability. A highly-interconnected global economy is arguably better at securing international stability.

That was the main argument for global trade already in 1914. France was Germany's most important commercial partner, and vice-versa. All German rifles had stocks made from French walnut wood! All French locomotives had German-made tubing! This stupid mantra was repeated ad nauseam after 1991, too, with silly op-eds from Friedman and friends about how two countries with McDonald joints in both can't be at war and simi…

Your analysis is incomplete at this point. We do not know what will be the outcome of war. How long will sanctions and general isolation of Russia hold and what that might result in.

Perhaps it will(as it seems now, also) be seen as catastrophic mistake. Like Russia selling Alaska to US. My point is, it is way to early to tell and even if we knew the outcome: we have to have few events/outcomes like that for them to become an example of mistake to not make.

Generally countries can do whatever, despite all. It is more important we deter them and have tools to do that as broader "world" community. Otherwise we would have to forcefully own "other" countries to secure such peace.

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Post by [deleted] »

lmm wrote: post #506
markvdb wrote: post #460

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I'm open to any system of government that systematically tries to pass John Rawls' veil of ignorance[0] test. In theory, it doesn't even have to be democratic. In practice though, I haven't yet seen any non-democracy get even close. Yes, the Chinese state has made some remarkable positive material achievements for most Chinese. No, it does an absolutely shit job for many of them. Imagine being Uyghur, critical of Xi,…

> I'm open to any system of government that systematically tries to pass John Rawls' veil of ignorance[0] test. In theory, it doesn't even have to be democratic. In practice though, I haven't yet seen any non-democracy get even close. What about somewhere like Singapore (nominally democratic, but with a single party in power for decades and widely seen as authoritarian)? > Imagine being Uyghur, critical of Xi, religi…

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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by LdSGSgvupDV »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

Investing in local chip fabs is long overdue. These are incredibly important for geopolitical stability and should be distributed world-wide. We've centralized too many fabs in too few places in the search for low cost.

Yep. Accelerate the global warming for inefficient waste on local fab and pollute the environment globally. For the national security, we could sacrifice all countries including ourself. Hillarius.

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Post by picsao »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #304
madrox wrote: post #297

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While I ultimately believe you're correct (along with open borders and travel) I wish there were more rigorous proofs that this were the case. I think about the line in West Wing: "Free trade is essential for human rights...the end of that sentence is 'we hope because nothing else has worked.' ...Chinese political prisoners are going to be sewing soccer balls with their teeth whether we sell them cheeseburgers or not…

Human rights is more than just political rights or speech. Hundreds of millions of Chinese lifted out of poverty is a huge win for human rights. When you're poor, you're not free. Having grown up with dirty streets and beggars, you can't possibly imagine how big a deal it is for me to see my hometown transforming into a modern metropolis, and how my grandparents-in-law (in a different city, in a rural area) finaly ha…

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Post by Dma54rhs »

blackoil wrote: post #501
Dma54rhs wrote: post #380

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Its the same for Ukrainians since EU big powers want the end of war because of economies even if it means Ukraine giving away their territories. You could argue without globalism and a lot of trade that pressure wouldn't exist.

But without the global support, would Ukraine have lasted this long this successfully?

Obviously not, all I wanted to say was that these geopolitical relationships are complicated especially in the globalized world.
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