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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by antipaul »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

"The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this."

Totally agree, plus Sirouji, who seems like a modern day wizard

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by viraptor »

dmix wrote: post #535
criddell wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asahi Linux is, for me, the most interesting thing going on in Linux these days.

What package manager/distro will Asahi Linux be using/basing off of?

It's based on arch, but there are already people who ported the necessary changes to nix and something else I can't recall. The idea though is that once things get upstreamed, any distro will work.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by giantrobot »

guelo wrote: post #102
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

I'm not convinced that Apple's advantage is due to ARM vs x86. I think it has more to do with Apple's exclusive rights to TSMC's most advanced proccess. After all Apple is also beating Qualcomm's ARM Android CPUs.

Apple's advantage is manifold. They have an in-house chip design firm that is very talented and an architecture license for ARM. So they can make CPUs that do whatever they need. They also build the OS so can take advantage of new CPU and GPU features or go the other way and request hardware features to support software designs.

They're also using essentially the same cores between their mobile and desktop products. Apple is their own ARM ecosystem. An improved core for the A-series chips is an automatic improvement for the next M-series chip. Most arm licensees have to wait for ARM to come out with new cores.

The fact Apple can book the initial runs of any of TSMC's process nodes is just one of many of their advantage over other ARM and x86 manufacturers.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by seabriez »

babypuncher wrote: post #527
seabriez wrote: post #488

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LMAO yeah 8 GB - 256 Laptop for $1200 is "killing it;" duping consumers definitely from day 1.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

You really have to ask? Because why? You live in an Apple world before Google search has existed because Apple hasn't invented search yet right? Also it's $1500; because no one wants a laptop in a 8 / 256 configuration, no one; it's just there for money extraction purposes.

HP Spectre Laptop Computer 13.5" WUXGA+ Touch Screen Intel Core i7 16 GB memory;

Count the number of ways it's better and cheaper.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Spectre-Laptop-Computer-13-5-W...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by traceroute66 »

nevi-me wrote: post #509
sliken wrote: post #435

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I got a late model MBP 16" i9. Zoom, Teams video confs, backups, and anything else even mildly intensive and it would ramp up to impressively loud levels, enough for people in the next room to ask what the noise was.

I had a laptop that did that (got people noticing), I went to IT a few times to tell them that something was wrong with my laptop, as colleagues' were a bit quieter. I wish that I'd have been more firm with getting a replacement. I now have tinnitus after a year of a really loud laptop. I'm in my early 30s. I can't even tolerate my desktop with relatively quiet fans. One day in the office, I shutdown my laptop for th…

> I now have tinnitus after a year of a really loud laptop.

Hmmmmm....

Does your laptop sound like:

       - A Dyson vacuum ?
       - A jet engine ?
       - A Harley Davidson exhaust ?
       - The sort of sounds you hear in the datacentre hot aisle ?
No ?

Well, I didn't think so either.

Not a cats chance in hell your laptop caused hearing damage.

More likely you had the laptop speakers too loud, or you had headphones plugged in which were set too loud.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by coder543 »

mrob wrote: post #554
coder543 wrote: post #548

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Who is being exploited in this situation? I've never heard of anyone successfully selling a product because DSC is "visually lossless". It's a short explanation for a complicated technology, on the rare occasion that anyone googles DSC to try to understand what it is. Your continued use of inflammatory and frankly incorrect language isn't helping your case. If this is "exploitative" marketing language that is "lying"…

"High fidelity lossy" would be an honest name.

Sure, that name would have been fine too.

I don’t think “honesty” is an issue at play here either way, as I have discussed in great detail (and with many examples that you surely have encountered), given how people (unfortunately?) communicate in the real world.

If the study had shown something substantially different (or if people online were frequently having bad experiences), I would totally have been onboard with calling it marketing overreach and lies.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by odshoifsdhfs »

alxlu wrote: post #540
skohan wrote: post #277

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It's hard to imagine needing this honestly. I'm typing this on an M1 air, and even on this chip it's so snappy and quick even on things like larger compilation jobs. I'm not on the super-power-user end, but imo the price/performance for the air, as well as the form factor seems to be a sweet spot.

I always see people say things like this, but I have an almost fully specced out m1 max and the system grinds to a halt for a few seconds when I do basic tasks like join a zoom meeting from my web browser. Like the mouse will lag, if I’m listening to music it will start to skip or freeze, etc.

I have an M1 pro (16gb) and don't have this issues. Might be worth checking your system/taking it to Apple for a check.

Only time I got any similar issues were when I was hitting the ram pretty hard, but MUCH better than my i9 32 Gb with the same problem on memory (FUCK YOU DOCKER!)

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Post by datavirtue »

babypuncher wrote: post #527
seabriez wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LMAO yeah 8 GB - 256 Laptop for $1200 is "killing it;" duping consumers definitely from day 1.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

Agreed. The M1 drove me to become a Mac user/customer. I have been buying $600 used Dell professional laptops for ages...laughing at the stupid Mac people. The performance/effeciancy/quality/value of the M1 laptops exceeds any Intel laptop I'm aware of. Match the specs the best you can--Intel fan is going to howl all day and you better have a charger ready--the Mac is cheaper. Anyway, Windows sucks your dignity out and sends it back to Microsoft in a telematics stream.

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Post by antipaul »

godelski wrote: post #485

Why does the 13" Pro have a 720p camera and the Air have a 1080p? Seriously, why is Apple still putting in 720p cameras? This has to be a mistake, right? Edit: Also the pro is missing the magsafe charger. Are they phasing out the 13" pro? Pro: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Air: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/specs/

Probably haven't phased out old manufacturing pipeline so they "have" to keep making these (and make money off it) before it is gone entirely in the future
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