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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Single threaded performance is very useful for gaming, but I agree that the M1 is so fast that anything faster is just a bonus.

Which games can you even play on a mac?

Minecraft with shaders and a high-res resource pack.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

I've had the same experience with my XPS 9560. Past few years I've had "TPM device is not detected"[1] issues. Tried all the different solutions and nothings fixed it. Dell have never addressed it with a BIOS update.

I don't want to go back to OS X, but its hard to find good build quality and a high res screen.

Also, my battery was terrible after a couple of years. I had it plugged in as well. I bought a replacement this year and it was easy enough to switch out. Hopefully I can just keep this going and use it as an RDP machine.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/onvh42/xps_9560_tpm_d...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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20% better, 20% more cost? Fair enough. I'll get the M1 for my mum

20% faster. The chassis and display have been changed as well. (Not to say you’ve made the wrong decision)

Not at all, your opinion is much appreciated. Nothing massively different in the chassis and display, right?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

The really interesting question: how much would you be willing to pay for it?

I'm pretty price insensitive, but nothing on the market comes close to what I'd like:

- One week suspend, resume under linux (reliable).

- Keyboard and trackpad centered under display, and as good as best of class from 10 years ago.

- 4K / hidpi display

- no/minimal fan, cool running

- 12+ hour "typical" battery life; at least 4 when running slack and zoom (and maybe compilation jobs)

- as fast as a 10 year old midrange desktop e.g. i7: 2700)

- don't care about video acceleration, but video out must reliably work.

- No dual GPU switchover garbage.

- not intel brand (the last N Intel machines I have used have had severe chipset/cpu issues)

- ability to not run systemd in a supported config.

All the laptops I have found fail on multiple of these points. My pine book pro meets as many of them as most high end laptops do (so, not all that many), but at least it was cheap and worked out of the box.

Still waiting for a "real" laptop to replace it, but everything I've seen has glaring fatal flaws.

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> It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. Apple also made a huge leap forward with their cooling designs. Making the laptop thicker and investing in proper cooling design made a huge difference. My M1 laptop is significantly quieter than my old Intel laptop at the same power consumption level. It’s not even close. Apple’s last generation chassis and cooling solutio…

100% agree. The last generation of MacBook pros with intel processors were virtually unusable for zoom calls or any intensive processing power tasks.

This is really funny considering how high people were about their MacBook pros during this era.

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I might be a very small minority but I'd personally switch back to Linux in an instant if there was something comparable to the M series hardware

Asahi linux has most things working, except the accelerated GPU. Just in the last week or so a triangle was rendered, so progress is has been made. Sadly while apple has 128 bit wide memory on the low end (66-100GB/sec on the mac mini and mba), 256 bit wide (200GB/sec), 512 bits wide (400GB/sec), and 1024 bits wide (800GB/sec). Nothing wider than 128 bits looks to be coming to standard laptops or desktops in the non-…

Asahi Linux is, for me, the most interesting thing going on in Linux these days.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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As far as I can tell, the ARM hardware linked is vastly inferior to the current M1 hardware, let alone M2. > But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive. And during this time Apple is going to release M2 Pro/Max, M3, etc. I just have a hard time seeing how Intel/AMD catchup in the laptop space.

It was hard to imagine Intel catching up to AMD pre C2D.

And AMD to intel pre Ryzen.

It takes a good 5 years of doing everything right though.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

A major factor in achieving excellent battery life coupled with relatively good performance & responsiveness, on Apple products, is the OS. That holds for both Macs and iDevices.

There are several android phones that compete with the iphone 13 pro performance wise, while running a much less optimized os.

Likewise in the desktop world, the single core performance of the M1 is on par with top of the line chips, and M2 will be the same, and intel and amd work fine on linux.

Apples decision to keep a locked box has nothing to do with performance, solely to do with keeping people in the ecosystem for revenue.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

I don't mind the touchbar - I mind that it _replaced_ the F-keys! I want proper function keys! If I get some sort of status display _in addition_ to the keys, I'm fine with that.
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