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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bayindirh »

alophawen wrote: post #558
bayindirh wrote: post #342

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That's a pretty strong opinion on something so widely deployed and can work without any problems in a place which is very polluted with radio traffic and jamming in some frequencies. I had a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse which constantly lost connection where I live. No Logitech receiver even skipped in that place.

You say it is an opinion but Logitech did abandon the receiver because they could not fix the security and instead released the Logitech Bolt with encrypted communication between peripherals, in order to not lose more corporate customers due to crappy security.

If my mind is not playing games with me, Unifying is around 10 years old at this point. It might be inadequate in today’s world, but it had a pretty good run for something like that.

They may had to make breaking changes to it at some point, but it’s already old technology, so moving to bolt doesn’t make Logitech an incompetent company in my eyes.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bayindirh »

Melatonic wrote: post #548
bayindirh wrote: post #429

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Will it be so well rounded like the ones which are comparable in price with the MX (e.g. Das, Leopold, etc.), so I can buy one and use without any tweaking? Or will they be supported by a warranty so well that they'll just send me a replacement without shipping anything back? Remember, I've said I have no time. I want to plug and forget the device.

Yes. Literally tons of them. The only difference is that you might not be able to pick it up at Best Buy.

I’d not cross an ocean to get a keyboard from Best Buy.

Also, some of the most touted brands can’t be shipped to my country either.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bayindirh »

dude187 wrote: post #552
bayindirh wrote: post #21

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

You say the receiver will work with any OS, but is that true for their drivers? It's been a lot of years since I wrote off Logitech, but the reason I did was the lack of Linux support for the mouse I had bought. It would constantly act like there was dust in the sensor (or so I thought) making erratic movements that could sometimes be reduced with a mouse pad. Finally I did some research and found out that without us…

Yes. I’m using a couple of Marathon mice (with 3+ year battery life), and a G700 mouse. All of them are working as intended.

G700 carries its settings on board, so all profiles are working completely with any OS. There was no customization software on Linux when I bought it, but that side also improved with Logitech tool and other projects over the years. G710+ has an out of tree driver, but I didn’t compile it due to laziness.

Logitech is the first company to support UVC class for webcams to enable Linux support. Also they’re the only HID company which supports Linux firmware update daemon as far as I know.

So your perception is not completely correct from my vantage point.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by ubertaco »

darzu wrote: post #195
ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

Last I checked, there were no mechanical keyboard using dongles. Way better than bluetooth.

My cheap Epomaker TH80 was $80 when I bought it, and supports USB-C, up to 3 bluetooth devices, _and_ a 2.4Ghz dongle connection. There are other reasons it might not be for everyone, but it's got a 2.4Ghz dongle, and those are actually pretty common in even the lower end of the mechanical keyboard market these days.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by tekknik »

dotancohen wrote: post #557
tekknik wrote: post #547

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What’s the reasoning against o-rings?

Orings reduce the total travel, probably by about 6-8mm judging by their thickness though I've not measured it. Traditional Cherries would register at about 25mm and bottom out at about 40mm. So the user would have to train to depress to at least 30 but no more than 35 mm depth. That takes practice, and practice requires making mistakes. The orings bring the bottom of the stroke up into the range where the user needs…

This seems an awful lot like you demanding users have a particular skill you want them to have for $reasons. This is silly, use orings.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by dotancohen »

tekknik wrote: post #565
dotancohen wrote: post #557

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Orings reduce the total travel, probably by about 6-8mm judging by their thickness though I've not measured it. Traditional Cherries would register at about 25mm and bottom out at about 40mm. So the user would have to train to depress to at least 30 but no more than 35 mm depth. That takes practice, and practice requires making mistakes. The orings bring the bottom of the stroke up into the range where the user needs…

This seems an awful lot like you demanding users have a particular skill you want them to have for $reasons. This is silly, use orings.

If the user is bottoming out on orings, then he might as well use a rubber dome keyboard. There is almost no benefit to using a mechanical keyboard if the user is bottoming out.

There are some terrific rubber dome keyboards. I actually use one occasionally as I like to rotate my equipment, to fend off the R in RSI.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by jwatt »

0x38B wrote: post #539
jwatt wrote: post #489

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For anyone thinking of using this with Linux, there are a couple of issues I've encountered with Logi Bolt with my MX Keys Mini. Getting the keyboard and a Logi Bolt USB receiver to pair on Linux was a huge PITA. (Why do I have to trust and install an app for this anyway?) In the end I resorted to plugging the receiver into a mac and pairing it that way. Even that hasn't worked out so well though, since I ended up wi…

In case you still use the keyboard, you may be able to solve the wakeup issue by preventing the wakeup in /proc/acpi/wakeup - see (1). When I used a Surface Go 2, this was how I prevented the keyboard case from waking it up and draining the battery. 1: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/power-management-acpi-wake-u...

As it happens, a kernel update appears to have fixed the issue, but thank you for this tip.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bbarn »

unwind wrote: post #61
bbarn wrote: post #33

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The fact that it IS a dongle is the major disadvantage. Most laptops have only one or two USB-B slots and many are moving towards USB-C for everything. Most also have very functional bluetooth built in. It's just not worth a minor improvement in connection quality (which is debatable, reading these comments) to lose the only slot I have in a laptop. I have to unplug my external keyboard in order to use my headset if…

*USB-A, the B ones are for devices, i.e. what you typically saw (in the micro variety) on cell phones before UBS-C started happning. The big "original" USB-B ports are still common on printers.

Ah, you're right. I forgot about those old square suckers.
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