1Password lost me when they went subscription model and required mandatory servers on their system to keep it running. It went from being one of the best password storage solutions to one of the worst. I'm still using 1Password 6 as that was the last version which could run offline.
1Password Has Raised $620M
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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have been doing some pretty unfriendly moves towards their long-term customers, like making sure the new 1Password cannot be used without 'the cloud' like the old one could be. I have no doubt raising more VC money will only accelerate such trends. In fact I've decided to move off of 1Password to BitWarden, since at least one can realistically self-host it. That being said, it's not exactly easy to migrate from…
Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this. I still have a license that allows me to use it with a local vault. But I really want to get the family subscription. The Premium BitWarden plan is much cheaper than 1Password but the the Family plan doesn’t get you as much of a discount and my parents are on iPhones. Edit: Dave Teare, the 1Password guy claims that when they were still offering standalone licences in 2018, pe…
Given how extremely hidden they've made the perpetual license option, I'm honestly surprised it's 30:1. That seems to be a sign of "people want this bad enough that they go hunting for it for quite a while".
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#563Earlier quoted context omitted.
does anyone know definitively which is the last 1password version that doesn't require cloud? some folks are saying it's v6 but i have 7.8.7, and everything seems to be working fine, as far as i can tell. i still use local vaults and dropbox syncing to my ios devices without issue.
The last time they offered stand-alone licenses was 1Password 7 in 2018. Not that long ago. But they seem to have made it harder and harder to get at the local vault settings. Version 8 will only be subscription based.
so ixnay to version 8 then. are you for sure that there's no version 7 point upgrade that's broken like that?
my original license was 1password 3 (teams edition or something like that?) i believe, which i'd been upgrading all along. too bad they'll lose all this recurring revenue, even if it's not strictly as uniform and regular as subscriptions.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this. I still have a license that allows me to use it with a local vault. But I really want to get the family subscription. The Premium BitWarden plan is much cheaper than 1Password but the the Family plan doesn’t get you as much of a discount and my parents are on iPhones. Edit: Dave Teare, the 1Password guy claims that when they were still offering standalone licences in 2018, pe…
Given how extremely hidden they've made the perpetual license option, I'm honestly surprised it's 30:1. That seems to be a sign of "people want this bad enough that they go hunting for it for quite a while".
No, they are picking subscriptions 30 times more than licenses.
When they first did this it wasn’t hidden at all. The website gave you 2 options side by side.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#565People thinking this is an absurd amount of money are sleeping on how 1Password is quietly positioning itself to become the ground truth storage solution for corporate secret management, across devops and non-technical groups alike. Given Hashicorp's market cap of 11B, and 1Password's narrative on how to become even more central to corporate use cases by being the storage layer for Vault deployments, it's a very reas…
To be honest, I've just started using that (just set up a brand-new infra, started to provision users and thought it's a good idea to hook it up to a good password manager) and I found their Secrets Automation is (IMHO) barely usable for now. One can create most basic records but that's about it. I realize they don't owe me anything, but - honestly - just from the notoriety of the brand I've had higher expectations.
I hope that's just because they don't have enough people and currently their efforts are stretched quite thin. $620M is huge amount of money, so hopefully they get new hires and would be able to deliver.
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#566Tbh, since using Firefox Sync, I have no idea why people would need anything else to manage their passwords ... Can anyone enlighten me why I would need 1Password?
It uploads your passwords to their cloud. How is that okay? The key thing with a password manager is disjoint processes. You don't want the cloud provider to also be the password manager provider. A single breakin/rogue employee/government warrant and you passwords are exfiltrated.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should take 20 million, endow a foundation, and have the foundation hire a couple of their original devs to make a clean room, open-source equivalent to 1Password 6. Then those of us who actually just want a self hosted password manager, not a massive whacky cloud secret factory, can use that. Sigh, what a stupid world we live in, where greed destroys everything good.
Have you tried KeePassXC? It has a reasonable UI and mental model, and does zero cloudy things.
And you can choose to sync with Dropbox, one drive, etc.
And it has an android app.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#568Eh. I used to use 1Password long ago, when it was still a "normal" app (one-time payment, not trying to become a unicorn). It was easy for me to switch password managers (my needs are modest, and I generally like to break my app habits once in a while). My journey included (1) self-written manager; (2) LastPass; (3) pass CLI, and (4) Bitwarden (free tier). I'm now a happy Bitwarden user. It's ugly, and I'm a UX desig…
Shout out to Strongbox if you're an apple user. It supports .kdbx across apple devices with a 10/10 UI
+ 1 for strongbox and keepassXC
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm actually surprised by all the reactionary comments here with almost no research. 1Password already has integrations with Fastmail and Privacy and have launched a Secrets Automation[0] offering. I'm assuming this money does go partially into the password manager (which they say has always been profitable) but I think the money would actually go into ancillary services for competitors to Vault or Okta for authentic…
Two major reasons for the backlash: 1: 1Password already backhanded users once for business reasons. They used to be a nice, local password manager that synced with dropbox or your choice of filesystem. Then they added cloud support and used dark patterns to force adoption of a subscription based cloud service while making the local version harder and harder to use. At some point I gave up, I’m not even sure it’s pos…
It's still possible to use it locally in v7; v8 will no longer allow it.
The brand damage has been done regardless.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right!? The hard part is integrating nicely with the OS, which is just not something that's in Electrons bag. The thing Electron "improves" for them is portability for the one thing that users really want to avoid interacting with. It's just such a confusing business decision in my eyes, and to be completely honest, part of the reason I'm looking at switching is literally that they are making a decision like this unp…
In Apple land you have Strongbox or Keepassium. Both are fine projects based on Keepass technology so you are basically safe and the developers are even in cool terms with themselves.
Looking around, on macOS there’s also MacPass[0] which looks decent (good enough that I could see myself contributing for the last few % of polish), and gnome-passwordsafe[1] looks reasonable on Linux (if a bit too mobile-y for a desktop app). The only notable hole in the platforms I use is Windows… perhaps it’s time to spin up a WinUI Keepass project.
[0]: https://github.com/MacPass/MacPass [1]: https://apps.gnome.org/app/org.gnome.PasswordSafe/