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1Password Has Raised $620M

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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by red_hare »

vagrantJin wrote: post #176
baryphonic wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

> Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan Haha. I'm pretty sure browsers build this feature in.

I've never seen a "share with family member" feature with a browser storing passwords. Also, this means I and all of my family members need to use the same web browser.

Using a 1password family plan is the only way I've been able to wrangle my parents across their slew of iOS, macs, Android, Windows, and Linux machines to stop typing in passwords.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by tibiahurried »

baryphonic wrote: post #111
fxtentacle wrote: post #50

"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

We use BitWarden and it is free. $620M for a password manager is nuts.

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Post by api »

Gracana wrote: post #201
api wrote: post #191

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You were downvoted to hell because nerds continue to refuse to understand this. At this point it's flat out denialism. This refusal to understand UI/UX goes way way back in hacker culture: http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html This seems to be a general characteristic of enthusiasts. To design a good car for people other than car enthusiasts, you have to hate cars or at least be able to place o…

Maybe name-calling and suggesting they should be mutilated isn't enough. What's your next step?

There isn't one. I will continue to say this, people will continue to ignore it, and the computing ecosystem for the average person will continue to be locked down by corporations that do not ignore it. Free, open, and privacy respecting technology will remain irrelevant outside enthusiast techie circles.

It's a bit like climate change. Scientists will warn, people will ignore, and then we will abandon Miami and will probably blame the scientists.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by matheweis »

aniforprez wrote: post #80
studmuffin650 wrote: post #60

Seems like a lot of people are missing the piece as to probably why they need the money (and where they're pointing the company in the future). Future of 1Password: https://www.future.1password.com/

I'm actually surprised by all the reactionary comments here with almost no research. 1Password already has integrations with Fastmail and Privacy and have launched a Secrets Automation[0] offering. I'm assuming this money does go partially into the password manager (which they say has always been profitable) but I think the money would actually go into ancillary services for competitors to Vault or Okta for authentic…

Two major reasons for the backlash:

1: 1Password already backhanded users once for business reasons. They used to be a nice, local password manager that synced with dropbox or your choice of filesystem. Then they added cloud support and used dark patterns to force adoption of a subscription based cloud service while making the local version harder and harder to use. At some point I gave up, I’m not even sure it’s possible to use locally anymore. It might be that the marginal utility is worth it, but forcing my hand also broke my trust

2: This is now the path of the majority of American corporations, most especially high growth vc funded; make something awesome, grow, extract profits, die. It doesn’t really matter whether it’s burritos or password managers, we’ve seen this pattern one too many times.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by ericd »

api wrote: post #191
Sytten wrote: post #187

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I made the same argument below but I was downvoted to hell. Bitwarden is not an alternative to 1Password that passes the wife/parent/elder test because the UX is so bad they need to call me everytime something isnt exactly working as before.

You were downvoted to hell because nerds continue to refuse to understand this. At this point it's flat out denialism. This refusal to understand UI/UX goes way way back in hacker culture: http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html This seems to be a general characteristic of enthusiasts. To design a good car for people other than car enthusiasts, you have to hate cars or at least be able to place o…

Maybe it’s because Bitwarden’s UX is actually quite good? I found 1password’s to be substantially worse when I tried it a few years ago, especially on non-Apple devices. Perhaps that’s changed, but for something so heavily touted for being well designed, I found it to be very disappointing.

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Post by johncalvinyoung »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #139
yabatopia wrote: post #84

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> Whatever the case may be, I'm sure it's going to turn out to be something completely worthless to me. You're probably right. Here's their vision of the future: https://www.future.1password.com/ It screams CORPORATE. Not a single mention of family or single user. It's all about business security, safely sharing data, protecting your company, etc.

Family/individual accounts are nice and all, but most families/individuals just don't give a fuck about security nearly enough to pay a monthly fee for a password manager, and probably never will. The saturation point for them in this market is not too far off. So they go where there's real money to be made. They are well-positioned to become the default choice to handle corporate day-to-day cyber-security needs of m…

Upvoted for your final-line analysis of 'normal for muggles' and how HN is not a representative sample.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by cactusmatt »

nathanganser wrote: post #177
cactusmatt wrote: post #171

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I don't know. Greed? I've been following the 1Password Saga for a while (long time user), and how they responded to the electron pushback seemed like they lost their initial vision and what made them "in touch" with their users like me.

What was the electron pushback? Link?

With 1Password 8, they shared news that they were moving from native (mac) apps to an Electron UI/frontend with a Rust backend. They did an AMA on Reddit, but didn't show up for a while and got hammered by their users. Their refrain, until Dave Teare showed up, was "but it will be on Rust and the backend will be faster" and didn't acknowledge why users might be upset with the move from Native to Electron apps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/1Password/comments/p2dmpt/all_aboar...

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by function_seven »

vagrantJin wrote: post #176
baryphonic wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

> Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan Haha. I'm pretty sure browsers build this feature in.

I’m a single user who needs to have my passwords available on my work laptop (Chrome), my own desktop (Firefox), and my phone (Safari, iOS Apps)

No built-in browser password manager will handle that.

I’m sure a family with multiple users and half a dozen devices will run into issues as well.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by MAGZine »

ziggus wrote: post #12
bombcar wrote: post #5

`But we don’t just want to keep up; our goal is to push the envelope and explore beyond the boundaries of traditional password management.` Hmmm, sounds like the time to migrate may be sooner than I'd hoped.

So that means what? My password manager is going to start crypto-mining, and share the profits with me? My password manager is going to report all the sites that I have stored passwords for back to the companies? Whatever the case may be, I'm sure it's going to turn out to be something completely worthless to me. Fortunately, there's always Keepass, which keeps plugging away doing exactly what it says on the tin.

There's a couple examples already, including one click credit card information saving (through your card issuer), and their private email aliasing through fastmail partnership.

A lot less incendiary than your hypotheticals.

https://blog.1password.com/save-in-1password-button-with-ram...

https://1password.com/fastmail/

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