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But that goes against the current zeitgeist where you absolutely must love everyone (except your political and ideological opponents)... or else!!!
Race-based hatred as been taboo for quite a while, starting big after WWII. It isn't current zeitgeist.
Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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Mailing lists!
I too like mailing list, but most of the mailing list software I have seen isn't that great. Essentially, it would be like a glorified Google Groups which I am not a fan of. They are prone to spam and often leak your email address. I could see a modern system working with remailer support built in, but at that point it isn't much different than a forum. It is essentially Usenet, and at this point I'd rather see Usene…
https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty
All Fedora mailing lists use it and it works well IMHO.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#563So what's everyone's favourite forum software? Which of the many packages out there would actually be suitable to replicate the usability of Slack/Discord, without making all of the messages disappear like in a black hole? 1) Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/ Looks pretty modern and also offers managed instances if you'd like, but i can't help but to feel that it's pretty JS heavy and there is perhaps too much wh…
[1] https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/blob/release-2.1/So...
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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Just a couple of days ago, I signed in to a gmail account using the correct username and password. Gmail intercepted me and claimed to be worried that they couldn't recognize the device I was using. According to the flow, they wanted me to verify my identity in one of three ways: (1) I could verify the backup email address associated with the account; (2) if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to tha…
How does that story have anything to do with being evil, by any stretch of the definition? Are you insinuating that Google has this convoluted verification flow to intentionally harm people in some way? Or even to intentionally harm privacy or further business goals at users' expense? Or are you just using "evil" to refer to anything you don't like?
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#565I think "less capable moderation tools" is really underselling how purposefully useless and nonexistent Slack's moderation tools are for open communities. I cannot overstate how terrible Slack is in this regard. To be clear, I really and truly don't fault them for this: Slack's always been clear that their focus is on business communication, which is a totally different animal when it comes to moderation needs. Disco…
I have no professional reason to communicate with this team, why should my day be interrupted with their whooping and macho sales competitiveness.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#566The best engine for this I have seen so far in Reddit (I men Old Reddit of course) and IIRC it has its source code open so anyone can run their own.
From the pragmatic point of view I can see nothing comparable to GitHub Issues + Pages. A problem would have to be hell of importance to me to motivate me sufficiently to register on another website like a specific project's BugZilla but on GitHub everyone can find everything at one place and participate straight away as everybody apparently has a GitHub account nowadays anyway.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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It's especially nice when traveling. I was once asked by a client to do something while I was in other country about 5k km from regular location. Couldn't login to the apps account for this reason (no backup email or phone set). So I didn't do the work. I suspect it's some work-life balance enhancing thing. :D I don't really mind, since it also helps me bash Google services in front of my clients who still use them,…
I wouldn't rely on printing out cash, that can get you in trouble.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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Phone verification can certainly be annoying, but anyone who's been part of large Discord communities will know that spambots that DM users with all kinds of scams are a huge issue. Phone verification stops someone from raiding a server with it enabled with hundreds of bot accounts. As for VOIP numbers not being allowed, that also makes sense; VOIP numbers are extremely cheap and allowing them to be used would defeat…
> It's not mandatory That's not true at all. At any point your account can be flagged by their internal system and on your next login you will be forced to add a phone number "for security purposes". It happens to people all the time, but in particular, though not limited, to TOR and VPN users. So, yea, sure Discord's not at fault in the situation where a server admin turns on the phone number requirement, but they a…
The best part is that this only matters to people who care about their account. Most malicious actors won't care and will just create a new one.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#569Oh please do. This seems like the perfect time to bring this up: I had a piece of software that used Discord for support. They required that users be verified, which requires you to give you phone number to Discord. I gave them my Google Voice number, which is the only number I have, and they rejected it because they don't support VOIP numbers. I asked them if there was any other way to verify my identity. They told…
What I like about forums is that a) they're indexable by search engines! and b) because there's no expectation of an immediate response, people tend to put more time into their requests for help. I support a FOSS project via Slack, and information sparse requests are sadly the norm, I found that 95% of my responses are "Can you please provide more logs/configuration/actual description of what you were expecting, and…
For me there is also c) I can browse the content that is already there without signing up. Not going to join your Discord "server" when I don't even know anything about your community.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that goes against the current zeitgeist where you absolutely must love everyone (except your political and ideological opponents)... or else!!!
Race-based hatred as been taboo for quite a while, starting big after WWII. It isn't current zeitgeist.