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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by tomc1985 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #311
Buttons840 wrote: post #243

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Meanwhile the community is having a big debate over the CoC, deciding what exact wording they should use to say "be nice and include everyone".

Why just communities be forced to accept everyone? Or even be nice? When in a group of friends we can often times not “be nice” however because we know each other, we understand it comes from a place of love. Perhaps it’s a military background thing, but exclusivity has its benefits.

But that goes against the current zeitgeist where you absolutely must love everyone (except your political and ideological opponents)... or else!!!

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by Zak »

musicale wrote: post #306
KennyBlanken wrote: post #151

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Yep, the latest example was my credit card company rejecting my GV number. They easily have the means to see that I've been using it for 10+ years and it's definitely me. Luckily they wanted my business more than they cared about that policy; a CS droid was able to "force" the system to allow it. Requiring cell phone numbers isn't about anti-spam or 2FA or anything else these services and sites claim. It's about link…

Asking for information for one purpose and using it for another is amazingly user-hostile and abusive, and it's an almost universal practice for technology companies. I first noticed phone number abuse with facebook, which asks for a phone number for "security" but then uses it to match you with advertisers. It's the same scam that sites have been running for years where you have to use an email address as a user log…

> "Sign in with Apple" is hilariously useless since privacy-violating apps can just require a phone number for "security" or "verification" purposes.

Apple is one of the only companies with both the ability and a possible incentive to push back on that behavior. I wonder if they will.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by fartcannon »

codinghorror wrote: post #302
agumonkey wrote: post #185

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I'm extremely surprised by this weird dichotomy. vbulletin era was "low" on tech yet there were a lot of nice chill places.. there was almost nothing special, no ease, few rules, convos were mostly humans and fun. Now there's kilotons of resources (brain and money) trying to make all this go to mars and yet it only creates frailty. Super odd.

The software didn't change; the people did. Starting in 2014, everyone went online.

What happened in 2014?

I say the beginning of the end was when the millenials were in enough positions of power to utilize the internet for PR. I feel like in North America, the Obama campaign in 2008 opened a lot of eyes to the power of the internet. Maybe his second term more so. Certainly was a tirefire by the end of his run (Trump).

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by denimnerd42 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #281
mortenjorck wrote: post #152

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Same here. The old vBulletin / PHPbb format felt positively archaic once I got over the shock of how different the basic interactions are. I can understand some hesitance from people who are naturally wary of infinite scrolling, as the vast majority of implementations are terrible. Where Discourse succeeds, though, is in managing state such that it doesn't feel brittle when you're deep into a thread's history. The de…

> The developers built an infinite scroll that has feature parity with classic pagination, plus the far better UI of a "timeline" scrollbar. Maybe feature parity with classic pagination from 20 years ago. Discord takes forever to load content when scrolling.

some forums I could have them load 100 or 200 threads / comments by default back in like 2004.. way faster than this garbage today

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by thrdbndndn »

I prefer forums due to similar reasons, but I found asking questions as a user on Discord more "successful", so to speaking.

On a forum, the chance of your question being totally ignored is much, much higher. Some do have some staffs that seem to be obligated to reply, and they will just.. copy and paste some templates.

On Discord, even the devs and staffs are not always there to answer questions, there are often enough other users that can help you, and they are willing to discuss with you if details are not clear (as soon as you're polite). Even though they don't always solve the problem, you can tell someone actually looked into it. And all these happen in real-time, without at best half day delay between each exchange (it helps that Discord is hella popular so lots of people are online all the time, and the chance to notice your message on a server they're in is much higher. Can't say the same for any random forum.)

I still prefer GitHub issues, but after that, Discord. Forums (or the communities it normally forms) really don't cut it.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by denimnerd42 »

simias wrote: post #94
Oddskar wrote: post #52

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In what way? As a lurking user I think it's miles better.

I concur. I somehow skipped PHPBB and VBulletin (I was more of a newsgroup/IRC kinda guy) and always found them super clunky and a step backwards compared to newsgroups, if only because of the lack of proper threading. Discourse is comparatively very pleasant I thought.

interesting, they did at some point have a threading option but I hated it. I preferred reading comments in time order and threads were clunky to me.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by FpUser »

ttybird wrote: post #314
thaumasiotes wrote: post #212

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Just a couple of days ago, I signed in to a gmail account using the correct username and password. Gmail intercepted me and claimed to be worried that they couldn't recognize the device I was using. According to the flow, they wanted me to verify my identity in one of three ways: (1) I could verify the backup email address associated with the account; (2) if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to tha…

Just had this happen to me with my Microsoft/Minecraft account. I had migrated my mojang account 2 days ago and today I was told that apparently they "detected some activity that violates our Microsoft Services Agreement" and locked my account. They did not explain what the violation was and apparently it would magically go away if I verified my phone number (which they did not have before). Never doing any buissness…

>"Never doing any buissness with ms again."

No github for you then ;)

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by cma »

tomc1985 wrote: post #361
imwillofficial wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why just communities be forced to accept everyone? Or even be nice? When in a group of friends we can often times not “be nice” however because we know each other, we understand it comes from a place of love. Perhaps it’s a military background thing, but exclusivity has its benefits.

But that goes against the current zeitgeist where you absolutely must love everyone (except your political and ideological opponents)... or else!!!

Race-based hatred as been taboo for quite a while, starting big after WWII. It isn't current zeitgeist.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by tyteen4a03 »

RHSeeger wrote: post #120
dreyfan wrote: post #108

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I've yet to see a forum software that works as well as vBulletin and the clones of that did in the early to mid 2000s. Everything today is this weird "conversation" view and comments/threads constantly move around based on the whims of a voting audience.

vBulletin is still available, isn't it?

From vB4 onwards it has becoming more and more of a hot pile of crap.

XenForo is where it's at. Never used IPB but heard they're slipping.

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