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Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Why is the alternative automatically a triple room with no common area, and not simply a single room with at least a window (plus a common area)?

Because that's what this proposal is replacing.

But the real alternative is another (better) proposal, not keeping things as they are.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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What makes a firefighter an expert on building egress requirements? The building must meet NFPA code (or whichever fire code the AHJ has selected) or it can’t be built, period. Whoever their insurance company is will not insure the building if it doesn’t meet life safety requirements. Dismissing someone who isn’t a fire code expert who is making claims about fire safety is just fine to me. If we were discussing how t…

The building must meet NFPA code or it can’t be built, period. To be pedantic, that may be the case for this specific building, as CA may be a state that simply adopted the relevant NFPA model code wholesale and with no changes; but it's not a true statement in the most general sense, as not all localities adopt the various NFPA codes verbatim (or at all).

You’re correct, I edited my post to reflect that right as you posted. Thanks for posting the clarification.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Reviews of this residence: https://www.veryapt.com/ApartmentReview-a7222-munger-graduat...

Thanks, it seems very well liked.

Not really - looking through the reviews, it's cheap and newly furnished, but almost everyone is concerned about the windows (even those who say they personally don't mind it seem to be well enough aware that it's a problem).

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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You're really misrepresenting the information from the link. Munger is the top-rated residence in the area. https://www.veryapt.com/Apartments-L7646-ann-arbor-central-c...

Either several of those positive reviews are fake, or those MBA students are functionally illiterate.

That's how you know they are real.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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> small single rooms with common areas in general This is fine; the problem with Munger's design is that most of them don't have windows.

The challenge is that as you shrink individual room size, it gets harder to give every room a window. It can be done--though you may have to have smaller windows. And you basically need to have a more linear design or something that otherwise has a lot of outside surface.

You really just need to stick a courtyard in the middle of it, an extremely common design pattern in such buildings, including one SUNY dorm I lived in.

Or on a slightly larger scale, you stick a courtyard in the middle of several buildings, as is the case with most blocks in Barcelona or Berlin.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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A building meant to house 4500 students, with only two entrances? There's a word for that: deathtrap. For more than just reasons if fire in my opinion. I'm surprised nobody has said the word gun yet. Are they going to be scanning people and checking their backpacks art he door? That sure would make it feel more like a prison.

You are not a student at this school. Where I went to school we got lots of strong opinions from outsiders. But some of the "worst" dorms were the most popular for reasons that are not always obvious to outsiders. And yes, some students like to live close to others. UCSB may be doing double and triple bunking in rooms (my school did 4 to a room for a while, when the "crappy" new space opened it was first choice in th…

What does any of this have to do with gun safety?

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Even in the US having living quarters with no windows must be illegal. It’s dumb enough that people are allowed to work in offices with no windows, but this has to be illegal.

But it is not. Not all rooms can be places along the exterior walls of the building.

Most code requirements in the US require a bedroom to have an egress window.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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I don’t find it unreasonable to assume that the building will comply with government fire safety regulations and that those regulations are at least somewhat adequate.

You know who was violating fire regulations for decades? Nuclear Power plants! You would things that's the one place where safety would be taken seriously, right? https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/601/fire-p...

Nuclear Plants have an adversarial interest in access control though. Sometimes, yes, even fire safety loses out.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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i don't like to sleep in a room without windows. i like to see the night sky or signs of life outside my room, and most importantly i hate waking up in the dark. i would switch universities or sue if forced to accept a windowless room.

Do you understand how how housing selection works ? There is zero requirement to live in their housing. So what the hell are you going to sue them over? There is a shortage of on-campus housing - do you understand that? That is what this project is trying to solve for in part. If you live off campus - go for it! In fact, even if you WANT to live on campus you'll have to enter a lottery after year 1, they only usually…

i would sue them if i was forced. if there is a choice, i'll of course take that instead.

but i am expecting that noone should want to live in a room without windows, so some people are going to get the short straw.

of course i may be wrong and there are enough students who actually don't care, or even prefer it over the alternatives. however i fear that most of those are not aware of the downsides of a windowless room.

This type of housing really works for folks who like working with others, getting along with others, making friends.

that is not the point. i like working with others too. but waking up in complete darkness every day is not healthy. even if most students won't be harmed by it, some will.

sure, i understand the tradeoff you are making. and i expect many will if that's the only way to get some privacy. that is understandable.

but as a parent i would be worried sick if my kids would make that choice.

there is no reason a building has to be designed that way. it should be entirely possible to give everyone a small room with a window. how much personal space do you need to sleep? 4m² should be enough.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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The design looked like rooms inside a pod inside a building. Seems like a fire in front of a single door could in theory kill everyone in the pod based on the image in the article. Honestly, this looks like a low security prison to me. Small cells and a day room for activities and socializing.

If they lofted the bed, the desk could be moved under the bed. And if they had everyone just wear house uniforms, they could reduce the need for storage space and reduce the size of the rooms by 1/3

"This is an announcement from Genetic Control

It is my sad duty to inform you of a four foot

Restriction on humanoid height

I hear the directors of Genetic Control have been buying all the

Properties that have recently been sold, taking risks oh so bold

It's said now that people will be shorter in height

They can fit twice as many in the same building site

(They say it's alright)"

(From "Get'em off my property", Genesis, Foxtrot, 1972)

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