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Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by mindcrime »

macinjosh wrote: post #70
praptak wrote: post #8

"Munger Hall, in comparison, is a single block housing 4,500 students with two entrances" Is it even possible to make it fire code compliant?

Entrances != Egresses. Do you ever notice those doors that say emergency exit only?

Which history shows us tend to be locked or barricaded when they're not supposed to be, or obstructed in some other way, or otherwise unavailable.

Sure, there are other egresses available in principle. Hell, you can sledge-hammer your way through a wall in a pinch. But in any practical sense? Having two primary ingress/egress points is a horrible idea.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by g051051 »

I love parts of it (the small single occupancy rooms), but I'd hate having those common areas right outside every door (especially that TV), one bathroom for 8 people, etc. The odds of at least one inconsiderate jerk (not cleaning, stealing food, being loud, etc.) in every "pod" is probably close to 100%.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by awillen »

adenozine wrote: post #42

Jesus FUCK that's a horrible idea. My neighbor is a maintenance guy for a sober living complex and he has talked to me about maintaining these kinds of high density environments, and this seems like a nightmare scenario just waiting to happen. Also, just emotionally, this can't possibly work. There's no way to succeed in such a high pressure environment like those college years with so little space and so little priv…

"There's no way to succeed in such a high pressure environment like those college years with so little space and so little privacy."

I lived in Stanford for four of its most overcrowded years... as a junior I lived in an tiny two bedroom apartment that had three people in it, because the university needed to get extra people in and didn't have the space.

Obviously a ton of things wrong with this building, but the idea that this will cause people to have "so little space and so little privacy" ignores the fact that UCSB is in a tremendous housing crunch right now. Adding more housing isn't going to suddenly create a space with little space and privacy... that's the current state of affairs, and more housing will alleviate it. You have to examine this in the context of the university, not in a vacuum.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by ansible »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #9

> an 11-story, 1.68-million-square-foot structure that would house up to 4,500 students, 94 percent of whom would not have windows in their small, single-occupancy bedrooms. > Munger maintains the small living quarters would coax residents out of their rooms and into larger common areas, where they could interact and collaborate. That seems unlikely.

I lived in a rather small double occupancy dorm room for a couple years of my college career.

It was common to leave your door open if you wanted to socialize, but then close it if you needed some quiet to study.

And there are all types. Some really do need the quiet to concentrate. Some apparently like having others around while studying, like the folk who were in the 24-hour study lounge of the main library at midnight.

The accommodations should cater to all kinds who have different needs.

I do wonder if the tiny bedrooms will have sufficient sound insulation, in the walls, ceilings and floors, and especially the doors. And I wonder if the AC will be sufficient, individually controllable, and always working so that it is feasible to shut yourself up in your room to study.

And also... sometimes you just get tired of your roommates. All it takes is one guy to chews his food loudly to mess things up for everyone else. (No, that didn't happen to me, but my freshman year roommate regularly stunk up the place with weed. Or incense to cover up the weed. Which didn't fool anyone.)

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by zz865 »

theroqwpeo wrote: post #75
daniel-thompson wrote: post #24

Munger also did the same thing for the University of Michigan's graduate residence building^; 95% of the rooms have no windows. ^ https://housing.umich.edu/residence-hall/munger/

Reviews of this residence: https://www.veryapt.com/ApartmentReview-a7222-munger-graduat...

Interesting, most reviews are fine with it.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by pepperonipizza »

theroqwpeo wrote: post #75
daniel-thompson wrote: post #24

Munger also did the same thing for the University of Michigan's graduate residence building^; 95% of the rooms have no windows. ^ https://housing.umich.edu/residence-hall/munger/

Reviews of this residence: https://www.veryapt.com/ApartmentReview-a7222-munger-graduat...

Thanks, it seems very well liked.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by phone8675309 »

api wrote: post #85
bob1029 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really difficult when a large part of the population is either apathetic or actively sympathetic to the policies of these insane people.

The solution to this is for someone else to offer a more compelling vision of the future that is also practical and achievable. Take Elon Musk for example. His vision of the future is more compelling than anything I hear any politician of any political party in the USA (or most other nations) putting forward. I find the standard issue right-wing vision of the future repugnant and the standard issue left-wing vision c…

If he wasn't sucking at the US Government's teat for funding for SpaceX, tax breaks for Tesla, and evading income taxes then I might admire the guy, but as it is, he's the same corporate grifter in a new set of clothes.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by awillen »

theroqwpeo wrote: post #75
daniel-thompson wrote: post #24

Munger also did the same thing for the University of Michigan's graduate residence building^; 95% of the rooms have no windows. ^ https://housing.umich.edu/residence-hall/munger/

Reviews of this residence: https://www.veryapt.com/ApartmentReview-a7222-munger-graduat...

Wow, did not expect those to come in at an 8.8.

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by moralestapia »

spyspy wrote: post #81
macinjosh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Entrances != Egresses. Do you ever notice those doors that say emergency exit only?

They clearly forgot to count the windows..

"Don't worry, there's plenty of fake windows you could use, oh wait..."

Re: Architect Resigns in Protest over UCSB Mega-Dorm

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Post by raldi »

theroqwpeo wrote: post #75
daniel-thompson wrote: post #24

Munger also did the same thing for the University of Michigan's graduate residence building^; 95% of the rooms have no windows. ^ https://housing.umich.edu/residence-hall/munger/

Reviews of this residence: https://www.veryapt.com/ApartmentReview-a7222-munger-graduat...

Students seem to love it. It's a shame that this sole piece of actual data is buried so far down underneath piles of speculative naysaying.
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