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Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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I only use hi-dpi monitor with non 100% scaling on my laptop, and to this day I still can't get over how bad raster images look like when they're not showing in 1:1 pixel to pixel (on web pages, mainly). It's just a blurry mess, integer scaling or not.

I'm aware this article is mainly about text rendering, just want to point out something I hate with hi-dpi + non 100% scaling.

Also, on Windows with 125%, I don't find text as blurry as the author showed on Mac. They look pretty crispy to me. I guess that "scaling twice" thing is a Mac only issue (at least for text)?

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

#563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What X server? You should be using Wayland. X does not intrinsically support automatic scaling. Wayland does.

The protocol is irrelevant. It isn't an extension to the protocol, and would not be seen by clients. It is an implementation detail.

Technically, that's true, but "Wayland is inherently better at security/DPI scaling/other" is one of those cultural myths that eventually come true because of the people who believe in it. It would be possible to add these improvements to the X server, but no one wants to maintain or improve the X server anymore. All the developer effort is behind Wayland. So to get those benefits, you have to use Wayland.

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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For me, 2560x1440@144 on a 27" panel is by far the Goldilocks of writing code. 1080p feels like it's not tall enough with fat editors like Visual Studio, and anything bigger in size or DPI is starting to get too difficult to keep in focus. I do also have a separate workstation with a 4K 43" monitor that I use exclusively as a standing setup. The monitor is fairly far back, but still requires me to move my head slight…

I am considering a 43" 4K monitor. Which one do you have, if you don't mind?

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atwood is a bit of a prima-donna and part of being a blogger is a to make big statements. One of my roles for a long time was speccing/procuring computer equipment (later overseeing the same) for a huge diverse organization. I took feedback, complaints from users and vendors, etc. People are passionate about this stuff... I was physically threatened once, and had people bake cookies and cakes multiple times as a than…

You dont need a good display until you have used one. Its like glasses, you think you got perfect vision and then you get glasses its night and day in comparison. You dont know a good display until you have seen one. The thing with high res monitors is that you should upscale or everything will look tiny.

I think it's a complicated topic.

IMO, there are two key criteria for monitors. Real estate and pixel density, and in some cases, you can't get both affordably.

I have had 15" laptops with 4K displays for some time now. I love the pixel density. But I can't do certain types of tasks on them because I end up getting real estate anxiety. I feel so constricted on a laptop screen, even when I add a second monitor.

My desktop has 2 x 27" 4K monitors running without scaling. So I have plenty of real estate, but the text could look nicer. Having said that, I don't miss sharp text in the same way that I miss real estate when using my laptops, at least from a productivity perspective.

I don't think a 5K screen is an answer for me, because my first urge would be to try to use it without scaling for more real estate.

On the other hand, a pair of 27" 8K screens (does such a beast even exist, and is it affordable?) would be ideal, because 1:1 scaling on such a beast is impossible at that monitor size, but 200% scaling would basically give me the same workspace real estate that I have now but with super sharp text.

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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I've found my journey through tooling evolution to be fascinating (to me at least). When I was new and coding was slow, my worries were about so many other things (like how the language even worked) than even what text editor I used, let alone the monitor. As I became experienced, a lot of newbie problems went away and the next topmost problems emerged, leading to be obsessing over text editor, shortcuts, and even a…

And there is another phase - healthy: flicker free monitor, ergonomic keyboard, stand-up desk so on. When are these 27" e-ink monitors?

And yet another phase - no-screen. Everyday I look forward to avoid screen-time as much as possible - more face to face time, more water-cooler chats, figuring out the solution with pen and paper or coding in head during outdoor walk.

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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The technical details are all right (or seem right to me, anyway), but this is too opinionated for my liking. No, you do not need a 4K monitor for software development. Some people might like them, some won't. [edit/clarification: someone rightfully pointed out that nobody will actively dislike a 4K monitor. I was unclear here: I meant "some people won't need them" more than "dislike them"] This sounds like when Jeff…

Hello! Person who actively dislikes 4k here. In my experience: 1. No matter what operating system you're on, you'll eventually run into an application that doesn't render in high dpi mode. Depending on the OS that can mean it renders tiny, or that the whole things is super ugly and pixelated (WAY worse than on a native 1080p display) 2. If the 4k screen is on your laptop, good luck ever having a decent experience plu…

> 1. No matter what operating system you're on, you'll eventually run into an application that doesn't render in high dpi mode. Depending on the OS that can mean it renders tiny, or that the whole things is super ugly and pixelated (WAY worse than on a native 1080p display)

Never happened to me in 4 years, see below. That said, I barely use any graphical programs besides kitty, firefox, thunderbird and spotify.

> 3. Configuring my preferred linux environment to work with 4k is either impossible or just super time consuming. I use i3 and it adds way more productivity to my workflow than "My fonts are almost imperceptively sharper" ever could

This is just not true. I have used the same 32" 4k monitor for 4 years running NixOS with bspwm (a tiling window manager, which does even less than i3) on 3 different laptops - thinkpad x230 (at 30 Hz), x260 and x395 and it all worked completely fine.

I used a script like this to setup monitors, I would run it every time I would change my monitor setup (e.g. on the go): https://github.com/rvolosatovs/infrastructure/blob/0e17a1421...

It depends on a very simple tool I wrote, because I was sick with `xrandr`: https://github.com/rvolosatovs/gorandr , but `xrandr` could easily be used as alternative.

Recently I switched to Sway on Wayland and it could not be smoother - everything just works with no scripting, including hot-plug.

> I genuinely think 4k provides no real benefit to me as a developer unless the screen is 27" or higher, because increased pixel density just isn't required. If more pixels meant slightly higher density but also came with more usable screen real estate, that'd be what made the difference for me.

Indeed, screen size is way more important than resolution. In fact, even 4k at 27" seemed too small for me when I had to use that in the office - I would either have to deal with super small font sizes and straining my eyes or sacrificing screen space by zooming in.

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of my colleagues love a vertical monitor for writing and reading documents.

I loved it too on a mac. When I switched companies and went to an Ubuntu-based laptop, trying to keep the whole monitor scenario working consistently was frustrating, so I dropped it.

Try `arandr`, you can design and save your perfect layout as bash script to promptly run at any time.

Re: Time to Upgrade Your Monitor

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post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And apple was late(!) to hires screens and to hidpi Are you sure about that? It doesn't seem to mesh with my recollection.

Yes.

Actually, no.

>At 220 pixels per inch it’s easily the highest density consumer notebook panel shipping today.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-...

>"Of course, the real highlight is that new Retina Display. Its resolution is 2,880x1,800 pixels, providing a level of detail never seen on a laptop before. The highest standard Windows laptop screen resolution is 1,920x1,080 pixels, the same as an HDTV."

https://www.cnet.com/reviews/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-d...

>The signature feature of the new MacBook Pro is the new 15.4-inch (39.11 cm diagonal) Retina display. [...] So far, no notebook screen has topped resolutions of 1900 x 1200 pixels (WUXGA) or 2048x1536 (QXGA in old Thinkpad models).

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Re...

If you manage to dig up some obscure laptop that had a higher resolution at the time I wouldn't be completely surprised. However, to suggest that Apple was "late(!)" with high DPI screens is provably false and frankly, ridiculous.

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