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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by jodrellblank »

jki275 wrote: post #521
Quekid5 wrote: post #494

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All of your family is there. All your friends are there. All that you own is there. All that you've ever known is there. You may not know any other language than your native one. You: "Why don't you just move?" This really sounds like saying "Cheer up!" to a person suffering from depression. EDIT: Spelling

No, it doesn't. I know people from developing countries. I'm married to one. Universally, every single one of them wants to get the fuck out, and they do everything in their power to get out. That's reality in a developing country. The US is not in any way like a developing country. Comparing it to one is an act of such entitled privileged whining it's absurd.

> Comparing it to one is an act of such entitled privileged whining it's absurd.

But apart from the holier than though putdowns, are the comparisons valid?

Because you’d make a much better comment chain with “the comparisons are invalid because XYZ” than “you’re entitled and whiny and I know people who suffer more”

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Post by stjohnswarts »

isostatic wrote: post #556
stjohnswarts wrote: post #532

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Yeah but Sweden was just going to turn him over to the USA.

They denied this. Why would liberal Sweden tarnish their reputation? What makes Sweden more likely to extradite him than the UK?

I didn't say the UK wouldn't, I believe both countries would turn him over rather quickly to the USA to get some diplomatic points. They don't care what happens to Assange because he is a citizen of neither one.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

magduf wrote: post #551
stjohnswarts wrote: post #506

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Yeah I don't see how the trial will go through, there is no way they get 67 votes in the senate. He would have to literally walk up and shoot a nun in the face on camera before those Republicans would budge, they've already made up their mind he's forgiven for (almost) any crimes while he's in office.

Some of them have already said they'd be fine with him shooting someone in broad daylight on a NYC street, and think that this isn't an impeachable offense.

That's hyperbole though. they're just showing that they are trumpers until something ridiculous like that happens. I'm sure there are some zealots but 99% of them would not be cool with him murdering someone in cold blood.

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Post by microtherion »

johnbrodie wrote: post #452
refurb wrote: post #443

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I don’t understand. He stayed in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid arrest. His conditions are self-imposed.

Another take, with no more or less evidence as far as I can tell: He essentially had no choice, as it was obvious he was going to be railroaded at any trial, and would likely be bounced to the US at some point.

This was far from "obvious". Extradition from Sweden would have been harder than from the UK.

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Post by jeffdavis »

tyingq wrote: post #418
boomboomsubban wrote: post #379

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The United Nations has criticized the US for it's treatment of prisoners in the past, the US just ignores them. It is worth noting that the two million incarcerated are serving sentences for crimes they were convicted of, making it marginally less horrible than Assange's situation.

There are plenty of arrested, but not convicted, prisoners in city and county jails in the US. Often for months or longer.

Progress is being made with the elimination of cash bail in some places, and Trump's First Step Act.

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Post by microtherion »

adrusi wrote: post #510
refurb wrote: post #443

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I don’t understand. He stayed in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid arrest. His conditions are self-imposed.

Unless he would have experienced better conditions had he not taken refuge in the embassy, his conditions are not self-imposed.

There's a good chance that Swedish prison conditions are not particularly harsh, as prisons go (Never having experienced the inside of one, I must admit).

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Post by njharman »

blattimwind wrote: post #364
DubiousPusher wrote: post #340

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If she finds his treatment report worthy she should visit almost any county jail in America and write a report. I'm seriously not being flippant. If people genuinely find this kind of treatment disturbing and inhumane then they should know it is befalling daily many of their over 2 million incarcerated American brothers and sisters.

The US justice system is possibly the most cruel justice system in the West, and by quite a margin, too. It is one of a few aspects in which the US is far closer to today's developing and third world countries than to the Western average. Also over many decades many organizations have called out the conditions in parts of the US justice system as torture(-like).

You don't need to qualify it with "in the west".

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Post by tyingq »

jeffdavis wrote: post #565
tyingq wrote: post #418

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There are plenty of arrested, but not convicted, prisoners in city and county jails in the US. Often for months or longer.

Progress is being made with the elimination of cash bail in some places, and Trump's First Step Act.

At first glance, First Step looks like progress. But, it seems to only apply to Federal inmates, which is only 10% (or less) of the prison population.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

octocop wrote: post #246
jakelazaroff wrote: post #4

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Eyewitnesses’ memories get worse, records get lost, etc. This is one of the reasons that statutes of limitations exist.

>Records get lost This could not possibly be a problem anymore?

Why not? In an absolute sense, we probably lose more data now than ever before.

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Post by chrisco255 »

pixelbash wrote: post #548
jki275 wrote: post #474

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Seriously, if you all believe everywhere else in the world is so much better, why stay? For context, I'm married to a person from a real developing country, as it's actually defined. I'm sending multiple family members to school there so they can get out. Every single person in her family has done everything they can to get out. Every single person I know there has done everything they can to get out. Every single pe…

I live in New Zealand with family in the UK. I have spent the last 10 years flying the other way around the planet instead of via LA because the airports are worse than places like Malaysia. I can't speak to living in the USA but I have lived in Milawe and Fiji, and honestly being poor is definitely bad but some of the stuff happening in the US is a whole other kind of dystopian terrifying.

Is LAX really that bad? I haven't been there in years, but this seems a bit egregious. What terrifies you? The long lines at the bathroom? The food court selection? The lack of charging ports?
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