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Read the Steele report and Keith Schiller's testimony to congress and decide for yourself.

I have read enough of "The Steele Report" to decide that it was fabricated from whole cloth. That's also what everyone in FBI thought.

It’s weird though that Keith Schiller and Trump changed their stories about what happened that night right?

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I think thats Podcasts as a medium in general. IMHO Rogan could use pretty heavy editing, I guess people like having it on in the background or something.

Heavy editing can drive me crazy. The really bad ones are the podcasts/videos that jump in between each sentence. It's really disconcerting to hear somebody talk with no pauses in between sentences. I like the format of Joe's podcast because it feels like a real conversation and I'm participating in it, even if I'm not. Editing would ruin that feeling and make it something else. There's plenty of other podcasts that…

Freakanomics will even splice together two people saying the same sentence. So annoying.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...

Hah, the difference being some people still believe in conspiracy theories. Nobody believes in Pizzagate.

The person posting Podesta emails in this thread believes in Pizzagate.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

NSA took this direction long before 9/11 -- Qwest (US telecommunications carrier) was requested to participate in NSA wiretapping program more than six months before September 11, 2001. Qwest CEO Joe Nacchio refused to give customer data to the NSA... he spent 6 years in federal prison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8um6lImuWQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

Just watched this video and wanted to say thanks for sharing. That's insane.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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You're not following the point. The point was that people did care about the leaks and took appropriate action. Secondarily, you're not understanding the leaked documents. The leaked documents showed that the NSA believed that the phone metadata program was legal. Once there is a court ruling that it is illegal, its lawyers cannot justify the program. Thirdly, your phrase "another whistleblower" shows that you do not…

As discussed in the podcast, not even a few of the people at NSA believed anything of the sort. WaPo hasn't taken down this gem yet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/06/27/lawye... As detailed there, it took 18 months of lobbying and browbeating the secret court (in which DoJ faces no opposing counsel) in order to jury-rig a fig leaf for the ongoing destruction of personal liberties. I'm made my peace…

> As discussed in the podcast, not even a few of the people at NSA believed anything of the sort.

Snowden's documents themselves showed the legal justification for the phone metadata program. It nakes sense that Snowden would claim otherwise in the podcast because he is barely literate and hasn't actually read most of the documents he leaked.

> As detailed there, it took 18 months of lobbying and browbeating the secret court

You don't "lobby" a court. You have lawyers justify a position.

> Also I have to say I'm just loving the concerted effort ITT to redefine the term "whistleblower".

You're the one making a bizarre definition of "whistleblower." Is it whistleblowing to leak all of your company's documents if you don't know they are doing anything illegal so long as somebody can later find one thing that is illegal? Obviously not.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Snowden's revelations are massive . They should be cited anytime every time an intelligence reptile anonymously leaks something to the press, which is every day. Instead, the only time Snowden makes the news is when they want to announce some new persecution like this recent lawsuit over his memoir. Here is on Joe f@#$ing Rogan for goodness sakes! That is not widespread coverage.

Again, that is not what we're talking about. Media coverage tells you nothing about the authenticity of a whistleblower. You have not demonstrated any useful criterion for identifying 'fake' whistleblowers other than "I do not agree with his/her goals."

You're right, media coverage tells us far more about the media than about the people they cover. That was actually the point I made at the top of this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21334185

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#568

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I think thats Podcasts as a medium in general. IMHO Rogan could use pretty heavy editing, I guess people like having it on in the background or something.

Heavy editing can drive me crazy. The really bad ones are the podcasts/videos that jump in between each sentence. It's really disconcerting to hear somebody talk with no pauses in between sentences. I like the format of Joe's podcast because it feels like a real conversation and I'm participating in it, even if I'm not. Editing would ruin that feeling and make it something else. There's plenty of other podcasts that…

It's a spectrum right? No editing on one end, every second spliced together on the other. Most podcasts I listen to you can't really tell it's been edited. They just cut out banter that's off topic etc.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Hah, the difference being some people still believe in conspiracy theories. Nobody believes in Pizzagate.

The person posting Podesta emails in this thread believes in Pizzagate.

That can't be. Nobody still believes in Pizzagate. That building didn't even have a basement.

Clearly they're part of a conspiracy to make us believe, against all possible odds, that anyone still believes in Pizzagate.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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There's this concept of punching up or down. The little guy shouldn't be punched down to - in conventional politically correct culture. Mostly the legal system is not encouraged to be politically correct. Mr. Snowden broke his oath and leaked confidential data. His defense is the greater good. That should prevent prosecution. Mr. Clapper lied to Congress when he said "Not Wittingly." Mrs. Clinton failed to safeguard…

> His defense is the greater good. That should prevent prosecution. Do you mean prevent conviction or are you taking the stance claiming "the greater good" means you shouldn't be tried?

I meant if he were tried, he should be found not guilty.

Separately, because what he did is prima facie for the greater good, he should not be tried.

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