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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by 7ewis » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:37 PM UTC

Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

Have the same MBP as you, and haven’t really had any issues.

I actually almost prefer the keyboard, I feel like having less travel means I have to press slightly less and can type marginally faster on my Mac keyboard than a normal one.

I’ve not had to replace anything, I’ve had a key that felt stuck once or twice, but after a good bash it fixed itself. But it is almost 3 years old now!

The Touch Bar is a bit useless I’ll admit, but using BetterTouchTool I’ve made it more useful. Shows me my company share price live, tube status and the time of my next train as well as shortcuts to my most used apps.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by sandinmyjoints » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

I was prepared to hate this keyboard when I bought a 2019 MBP bc my beloved 2015 MBP just wasn’t cutting it conpute-wise anymore, but...I don’t. It’s not bad, maybe I even slightly prefer it to the old one. I have experienced some sticking on the “l” key and that IS super annoying and needs to be solved. But the functional experience is...good. I miss MagSafe and usb-a and the touchbar is worthless so I’ve got gripes but to my surprise the keyboard really isn’t one of them!

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by vr46 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

mromanuk wrote: post #82

m12k wrote: post #77

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Yeah, it seems to me the ideal version still has TouchId but not the rest of the touch bar (Like modern Macbook Air). Combine that with scissor switch keys, and then I'll be happy to upgrade

so basically the 2020 ideal machine is the macbook pro mid-2015 (I've this) with newer cpu, memory, etc

Haha, yes, can’t wait. Function keys instead of a gigantic trackpad, too, please.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Razengan » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:42 PM UTC

cglace wrote: post #457

Razengan wrote: post #227

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If sales are not the most direct indicator of whether people like something or not, what is? Apple has released many MacBooks with essentially the same keyboard design since 2015. If people really hated them, sales should have tanked in subsequent years, and Apple would have something different by now, 4 years later. The people who keep posting that they'll switch to PCs, would all have switched by now. Do you suppos…

One, you can buy something and not enjoy it. Two, you can be given the computer by your employer and not like it. Three, you can not like the current model but buy it anyway because you want to stick with the Mac ecosystem. I’ve been in numerous meetings where everyone is complaining about their new mpb while others in the meeting saying they are going to hold onto their older models as long as they can. Finally, the…

Four, people actually like them and have had no issues with them.

Why is that so hard to conceive for some people when they dislike something, that their opinion isn't universal? It can't be.

If this was a fair discussion, the users sharing their positive experiences wouldn't be reflex-downvoted.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by gurkendoktor » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #470

parasubvert wrote: post #206

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See, I use a retina MBP touchbar and really don't agree. Apple has made some missteps but it's still the best pro laptop for my uses. Over two years with one replaced keyboard (because I spilled wine on it!) and no sticking keys. USB-C is awesome. I can reuse all my 3rd party and Apple adapters for my USB-C peripherals, including tablets and the Nintendo Switch. In retrospect, Magsafe wasn't that great (comes off too…

Apart from the OS, hardware wise there are quite a few laptops that are better pound-for-pound. The XPS and Huawei MatebookX pro seem to be better in every way, with the polish that is expected of Apple products. Think pads cater to a different market, but have all the same bells and whistles too. The XPS and Thinkpads have great linux support, so it helps bridge the OS downsides to a certain extent.

The XPS 15 looks fantastic in theory. Great ports, high resolution, Linux support, there's even an Intel-only Precision model so I wouldn't have to deal with Nvidia drivers.

But every time the XPS line is refreshed, people confirm that there are still issues with coil whine. It baffles me that this issue hasn't been fixed in all these years.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by cptskippy » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:55 PM UTC

7ewis wrote: post #561

Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

Have the same MBP as you, and haven’t really had any issues. I actually almost prefer the keyboard, I feel like having less travel means I have to press slightly less and can type marginally faster on my Mac keyboard than a normal one. I’ve not had to replace anything, I’ve had a key that felt stuck once or twice, but after a good bash it fixed itself. But it is almost 3 years old now! The Touch Bar is a bit useless…

> I actually almost prefer the keyboard, I feel like having less travel means I have to press slightly less and can type marginally faster on my Mac keyboard than a normal one.

There are actually mechanical switches, like the Cherry MX Brown, that register the keypress before actuating. They're usually preferred by gamers because you can rapidly tap the keys without fully depressing them.

It's a shame there isn't a convenient way for people test out the variety of switches out there to find the style they prefer. Like Warby Parker for mechanical keyboards.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by woah » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 10:11 PM UTC

robdachshund wrote: post #528

rayiner wrote: post #488

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But the bulblet and bought a used 2013 15” MBP after a year in Lenovo exile. Cost me $600 for a six year old computer, but it feels great.

Man you guys really have Stockholm syndrome.

I use both a 12” MacBook (for Go and JS), and a Dell XPS13 with Ubuntu (for Rust). The UX on the MacBook is better in every way. Gestures, the window and desktop management, touchpad, Bluetooth, WiFi and printer drivers, etc. The screen, speakers, and other hardware components are much better as well.

The fast XPS 13 with Ubuntu also seems to really be taxed pretty heavily by electron apps, while the MacBook that is 8 times slower does just fine. When I switched, I finally understood why so many people on hacker news complain about electron.

Everything on the Mac feels like someone thought really hard about how to make it as good as possible, even if they were wrong in the end (like the keyboard). Everything in Linux always feels like someone said “ehhh... good enough!”.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by mrep » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 10:12 PM UTC

robdachshund wrote: post #528

rayiner wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the bulblet and bought a used 2013 15” MBP after a year in Lenovo exile. Cost me $600 for a six year old computer, but it feels great.

Man you guys really have Stockholm syndrome.

I've got a late 2013 15" MBP with a 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16GB of ram, 512GB SSD, and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M, and have been using it for 5 years now it and it is a great laptop. Can run chrome, mysql server, web servers, and personal programs without breaking a sweat. The only thing it cannot run are new video games or if you are deep into ML but old games still work great (I played GTA V on it ok when that came out).

Only downside that happened is part of the trackpad stopped clicking and one of the fans starting running crazy loud. Took it in to the apple store and they diagnosed it as a swelling battery (seems like a problem for macs so if it looks like your case is fat, get it checked out). Ended up getting the battery, keyboard, trackpad, case, fans, and potentially the monitor (it looked new or was cleaned extremely well) for $300 which isn't too bad to make it feel like new. I'm probably going to keep this computer for another 5+ years unless it dies.

Would totally recommend and I would definitely not sell it for $600.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by SkyPuncher » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 10:13 PM UTC

zachberger wrote: post #542

andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

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You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

What's wrong with the large trackpad?

I personally find it unnecessarily large. My thumbs/palms are constantly touching the corners.

The 2015 touchpad is plenty large enough to accomodate my needs.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by michaelt » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 10:19 PM UTC

Stratoscope wrote: post #504

michaelt wrote: post #113

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I've never heard this before. For several years (after the ThinkPad brand got sold to Lenovo who promptly started shipping it with spyware) there wasn't really a PC laptop brand with a rock solid reputation for high build quality. Lots of companies were putting their badges on inch-thick, mostly plastic 15" laptops with mediocre touchpads that never delivered the battery life they promised. And if your employer issue…

> ...the ThinkPad brand got sold to Lenovo who promptly started shipping it with spyware... That's incorrect. You're referring to SuperFish, which was only on Lenovo's consumer machines, not on ThinkPad. https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish

Nonetheless, it cast a big shadow over the brand; you couldn't just advise someone to buy a Lenovo.