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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #195

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They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

I think you're misreading his comment. And your followon comment is showing your assumptions:

>If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,”

He never said this, and in my reading is not trying to say this. What I read him trying to say is:

"Quitting is not the only way to handle the problem."

Or the harsher:

"The solution is not to run away from the problems."

More or less the equivalent of:

"If the US is going downhill, the solution isn't to run away from the country, but work to fix it"

As an engineer you're part of the company. And putting a recent unfortunate case aside, Google is relatively open to engineers voicing their opinions. If you're fatalistic or meek, sure, you can leave. But that's the weakest of all options.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #548

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I know I could and thank you for the suggestion. The problem with that approach is that I don't want to fiddle with my phone. I don't fancy installing custom roms and I don't need the frustration about a device running 99% fine, except for those annoying 1% that you need right now. I see an analogy in GNU/Linux, which I started to use in 1999 (yeah, on the desktop). It was really good fun. I liked compiling my own ke…

My phone on Lineage OS 15 without Google stuff just works. There is nothing that does not work. It is flawless. Actually, it works better than an average Android phone, or than the same phone with stock system: - better battery life (it used ~ 2% battery during this very work day, with a few texts and one call) because it quite literally does nothing if I don't use it (granted, I use ForceDoze and that helps a lot).…

Thank you very much.

Maybe I should indeed do some research and look into it seriously. Your experience sounds really good and, provided I go that route, should save me a bundle (iPhones, especially the new lineup) are brutally expensive in Europe.

Your reply (and others in the thread) once again shows what a valuable resource HN can be.

Thanks!

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Im a longtime ios user thinking of switching to android soon - can you elaborate on android spying? All android devices? How do they spy and what do they gather? I hadnt come across this in my research so far

I'm not OP but I've been an Android user since the release of the T-Mobile G1 and have been trying to get rid of Google stuff for a while: > All android devices? No, not all Android devices. Only the ones with the Google Services Framework installed (or, if you're as paranoid as I am, any other Google service that is running as root). To give you an overview, Google's power over Android users basically rests on the f…

Damn, that sounds like a lot of work and still easy to make a mistake and let something through.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #442

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LineageOS, and other custom Android distributions without Google services.

Doesn't LineageOS still use Google Play Services?

No. The only part of Google associated with LOS is that it uses G's DNS servers.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

I assume this is the engineering at work.

"Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same".

"Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear"

"Ugh, let's just notify the user that clearing the cookies won't clear the Google ones"

"Yeah, that works".

Come on, we're all developers here, we all know how these conversations work.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #530

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Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". Apple charges more because they don't sell you data or spy on you. There are system-wide ad-blockers, Firefox Focus is great, and there is a Signal app. Apple is actually going out of there way to make Safari harder to track - https://www.wired.com/story/apple-safari-privacy-wwdc/ They're also the only company who has been strong enough to stick u…

> Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". I just showed you one way that iOS spies on you that you can't turn off. All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. N + 1 > N. Q.E.D. > There are system-wide ad-blockers Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views. > Firefox Focus is great It doesn't use Gecko or Spide…

Most "full ad-blocking" requires being rooted on an Android device too. And you've obviously not done very much research about what data Apple collects vs Google. Simply using each OS will show you a big difference in philosophy. Google makes you approve all permissions when you install an app without clearly stating what it means. iOS apps have to ask for specific permission the first time they want to use GPS, camera, microphone, etc. Default apps? Yeah that's annoying, but it's not like you can't use Signal. And Google is currently working with the US government on many projects, which has caused many Googlers to quit the company.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #62

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

You might want to take a look at AT Internet, they're GDPR compliant and have been in the business for a long time. It's more of a B2B company though. They have big companies as clients, mostly in France and Europe (BBC)

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #475
post #26

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Yup, same. Switched to ff and bing. Was surprisingly frictionless. Next week I'll be off gmail too. Up yours google. The week after, I'm getting rid of my android phone. I'm a high school IT teacher and have some influence over hundreds of students each year. I've already started to sprinkle in some discussion about privacy and will be sure to inform my students about the issues. Of course I won't brow beat my studen…

What phone are you replacing Android with? 'cause Apple isn't much better, Windows phone is dead, and Blackberry...

I had an iPhone 6s+ for a year and couldn't stand the UI and poor ergonomic choices. I was also unable to do basic things easily like SSH without paying outlandish amounts of money for things similar to JuiceSSH. It's locked down in userspace much more than Android and it's noticeable. Things like unzipping/unraring files, using a file explorer, always had problems with downloaded files, etc were totally impossible.

I want to go to an iPhone because Google is starting to really piss me off, but the year with the iPhone keeps turning me away. I wish there were other options.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #448

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Websites work best in the browsers that the developers use to build it, and that will be the only way Chrome can fail.

"Sorry boss, I won't be fixing BUG-332 - I don't use that browser"

That was not what I was suggesting. Fact of the matter is that it is easier to get it right the first time in the browser you work in than the browser you don’t. A growing backlog of Chrome bugs and a shrinking backlog of Firefox/whatever else browser front end developers switch to with product teams pushing feature development over bug fixing and then suddenly Chrome is the “unreliable” one.
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