Microsoft acquires Github • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by gmueckl » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #447

zodPod wrote: post #435

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I'm really not sure here but I was under the impression that they had started doing the full screen detailing data collection thing after they had gotten caught doing it without it?

They made it clearer and easier to review and change, but data collection was always toggle-able in Windows 10. A lot of people just hit "Express Setup" and then were surprised when the defaults were full collection. The Privacy Panel in the new Settings applet for example has always existed.

It was not toggle-able. You could only opt out of an ill-defined subset of an ill defined set of collected data, including, but not limited to all user inputs performed on that system. You would know as much if you had read the material published by MS on this. Only with the recent update do they offer a tool with which to inspect at least part of the actual data sent to MS. There is however no proof that the data shown in that tool is complete (even though I believe that they truely intend to show everything - despite their traditionally pushy methods, they are not Facebook).

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by iliaznk » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

Maybe I don't know something, but what I see is liking VSCode while hating Microsoft and it looks somehow funny to me.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by compute_me » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

Not affiliated with the team, but I feel compelled to plug https://gitea.io/en-US/ here ... such a lean alternative to GitLab, I was really happy to find it. Runs just fine for a couple of dozen users on a rather whimpy virtual server.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by bsg75 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

Nullabillity wrote: post #548

philliphaydon wrote: post #401

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> * Actually open .NET We don't need to open the .NET Framework... We have .NET Core. It's better, faster, and cross-platform...

But it's not a drop-in replacement, and it doesn't have any of the GUI bits.

Would the GUI bits be useful on a non-Windows platform?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by axiometry » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

foobarbazetc wrote: post #379

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Why did GitHub become unprofitable? Did they spend too much money hosting open-source projects, compared to what they made on private repos? Maybe the lesson is that free hosting never works.

No, that’s not why.

Magic 8 ball says: Sorry, try again.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by foepys » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:26 PM UTC

Kudos wrote: post #493

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #355

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> Seeing GitHub acquired, I’d speculate that Gitlab will go that route sooner or later. Bingo. It's bizarre to hear people stampeding to GitLab when they're subject to the same financial and revenue pressures as GitHub or any other business. Somebody's paying for those servers and bandwidth and that somebody is expecting a return on their investment.

Whatever happens to Gitlab, you have the option of hosting the open source edition yourself. If they get acquired by Oracle in the morning, a fork could conceivably rise to take its place.

I hear that again and again but GitLab is so massively complex now, that I don't think anybody without a company of at least 10 full time employees will be able to maintain and reasonably extend it.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by falcon620 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

kibwen wrote: post #537

sanbor wrote: post #422

This is a wake up call. Too many things are relying on Github right now. Microsoft was part of the PRISM program. If Microsoft shares SSL certs with NSA they could do MITM attacks. What if in some very specific cases you download dependencies from GitHub and they give you a different version with malicious code? It's the NSA. They could be smart enough to only deploy those attacks on production servers were nobody is…

Why would Github be any harder for the NSA to coerce than Microsoft?

Because Github, unlike Microsoft is not particularly dependant on US government contracts.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by kerng » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

zachruss92 wrote: post #27

I am a GitLab user and have been for about 2 years now. With that being said, I think this acquisition makes a ton of sense strategically. Microsoft has really been trying to change their identity from being a stuffy close-source corporation to an open company that developers can rely on. And they have done pretty well at this. They open sourced .net, run MS SQL on Linux, and have released the WSL (which would have b…

It's a great move for both, and as a developer I like the opportunities this creates for tooling and productivity. Good to see those two dev focused organizations team up!

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Post by felixgallo » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

ngomez wrote: post #499

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #458

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You actually can’t turn it off, and they still refuse to publish the complete list of what is collected. You need an enterprise version to disable as much as they will let you, and even then, they still force quite a bit of collection.

>they still refuse to publish the complete list of what is collected They give you the option to fully inspect all the telemetry data your computer is sending, categorized by use. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/configuration/diagn...

incorrect. That page tells you about diagnostic telemetry, but there can be other kinds of telemetry.

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Post by undseg » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

jjgreen wrote: post #367

Totoradio wrote: post #23

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I can understand those concerns, but what can they do to convince you they have changed?

Allow install of Windows onto a partition and not overwrite the MBR

I've hated that behavior for years, and am appalled to learn this it still works that way.