iPad 9.7‑inch • Hacker News Board

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by GFischer » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 1:45 PM UTC

jimbokun wrote: post #415

Touche wrote: post #372

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I've never heard such a confusion when it comes to TV purchases. Life is imperfect and changing products require a little research. You can't just go to the store and buy the best socks either; if you want the best you got to do research. Thems the breaks.

I would be very surprised if many people are not confused about their high end TV purchase, and trying to figure out which ones are better and why.

Both Android phones and high-end TVs are good examples of what Scott Adams calls "Confusopoly" :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly

heck, mobile phones are the canonical example.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by tim333 » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:01 PM UTC

JeanMeche wrote: post #488

J0-nas wrote: post #5

I just hope for the one big presentation where they refresh iMac, Mac mini, Mac Pro, and maybe some "next big thing" for desktop PCs. And for the love of god, if they do this please have some USB-A ports...

USB-A is dead.

USB-A is still the most widely used port. My friend bought the new macbook and how he loves to have to lug the stupid dongle adaptor thing everywhere.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by glenneroo » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:18 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #227

steeleduncan wrote: post #200

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I think the point is that the difference between 13", 15" and 17" laptops is easily grasped by even the least knowledgeable customer. It takes no time to figure which product fits your needs best. The difference between the 9.7" iPad and the 9.7" iPad pro is not intuitive, at least to me. If it is not obvious how different products serve different needs, then you aren't actually expanding the market your product appe…

One is Pro, the other one isn't. Do you need a better screen with the stylus? If yes, iPad Pro, else iPad. I mean, this is kind of ridiculous. All beers, wines, sodas come from bottles that are exactly the same size, how do you know if you like Budweiser or Heineken.

Unfair comparison - beverages don't cost hundreds of dollars each, you can buy one of each and try them out to find your favorite(s).

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by glenneroo » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:26 PM UTC

rconti wrote: post #524

therealdrag0 wrote: post #370

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Why do you have 6 of them?

Always seems like a good idea? I've got an iPad2 that I really wanted to love, and used until it became so slow it was useless (a couple of years ago). It still sits on my kitchen counter as a plugged-in weather station, though the app crashes frequently. I've got an HP Touchpad I bought during the fire sale for $50 or whatever the going rate was. I think its got Android on it. It was less of a fun project than I exp…

After the 2nd or 3rd tablet one would think "seems like a good idea" would have become "seems like a bad idea". You also didn't even mention why you stopped using the 3 other tablets you bought after having bad experiences with your iPad2 and HP Touchpad.

Your iPad2 example sounds like a software problem? And regarding slowness, have you tried a factory reset? I have an old iPod Class gen5(?) from 2004ish which became very usable after a system update (6 months ago) and a factory reset. I use it now mostly for streaming radio from various websites, all of which load fast enough.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by glenneroo » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:27 PM UTC

rconti wrote: post #523

pwthornton wrote: post #360

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Surfing the Internet, reading ebooks and watching videos are all things an iPad would do much better, particularly anything that would benefit from a hiDPI screen.

I do miss the high DPI screen when using my old Air, that's a good point. Though I usually don't feel my internet surfing is enhanced by holding a heavy tablet.

Have you considered the plethora of cases and stands available for relatively low prices? For someone with 6+ tablets, it just sounds like you buy them because they were cheap... and so that you have something to complain about.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by 1_2__3 » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:31 PM UTC

JeanMeche wrote: post #488

J0-nas wrote: post #5

I just hope for the one big presentation where they refresh iMac, Mac mini, Mac Pro, and maybe some "next big thing" for desktop PCs. And for the love of god, if they do this please have some USB-A ports...

USB-A is dead.

No it's not.

See how easy this is?

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by greedo » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:35 PM UTC

rebootthesystem wrote: post #420

greedo wrote: post #406

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You're complaining about an almost 6 year old smartphone being sluggish with iOS updates. And then complaining because Apple is requiring you to update your app. Ironically, the reason that discoverability in the App Store is so bad is because it's filled with abandonware apps where the devs don't update to fit with the newer versions of iOS. I think that's what my dad used to call chutzpah.

And you are failing to recognize that virtually nothing of value has occurred in the segment during those six years. There's absolutely nothing, zip, nada of real value between an iPhone 4S and the latest greatest. Thinner? Please. Resolution? C'mon. Faster? OK, but to browse Facebook (which is what most people do with them) the prior phones were good enough. Larger? OK, sure. Battery life? I've never had a problem w…

I guess we have to agree to disagree about how smartphones and specifically the iPhone have advanced over the last 6 years. I think the market disagrees with you fundamentally, and not because of any Jedi Mind tricks, Reality Distortion Field or marketing. Today's mobile devices are far better than what was available 6 years ago. The changes may not fit your needs/desires, but again, the market disagrees.

The changes you cavalierly dismiss are important; people want lighter, more powerful mobile devices. They don't care about your desktops. You also throw in a huge amount of judgement about how people use mobile devices, while ignoring the good use cases. Mobile is no different than any other technology, it can be used for good or abused.

An in-vehicle nav system is horrible; the displays are terrible, the maps rarely updated, and if updates are available, expensive.

The reason people don't upgrade their desktops as frequently is because desktops are a mature field.

And I think you're way off base in dismissing sales via mobile devices; perhaps your ad campaigns fail because your customers aren't on mobile? This article is a bit out of date, but 70% of Amazon's holiday sales were done through mobile devices. [1]

And your last paragraph is telling. You don't "own" your customers. The App Store has huge flaws, but in no business do you "own" your customers. Try selling merchandise on Amazon, or via Walmart. See how much you "own" them there. See how the business relationship is tilted towards those creating the storefront. Apple isn't much different. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't improve, but when Walmart tells Vlasic to create a $1 gallon sized jar of pickles, Vlasic jumps. If you don't want to update your apps (you didn't say what Apple expected), then that's tough luck for you.

1.http://time.com/4162188/amazon-holiday-shopping-statistics-2...

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by recursive » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:36 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #454

talldan wrote: post #212

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There's also the 3G, 3GS, 4S, 5S, 5C, 6S, 6 Plus, 6S Plus Looking back, there were always non-descriptive names, and inconsistencies. I'd argue that not knowing what 'Android' is actually demonstrates the technology has reached its goal of being universal. It's implicit instead of explicit. People buy it without needing to know what it is. Why would most consumers care about the name of an operating system? It's unim…

I've actually been saying this since the 3G came out, so we sort of agree. I thought that was the start of the stupidest naming convention, and we're all just watching it get worse throughout the years. At least until the 6 they weren't releasing multiple phones at the same time. I'm just waiting for "iPhone 10, iPhone 10 Plus, iPhone 10 Air, iPhone 10 Air Plus, iPhone 10 Pro, iPhone 10 Pro Plus, iPhone SE 3, iPhone…

> runs best with a certain type of oil

I'm 36, and I didn't know this. I thought there was a universal scale of goodness for oil. I bought a new car last summer, and I couldn't tell you the exact model either. I think this is fairly common.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by lukas099 » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #143

JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

I always thought that was the iDevice's strength. With Android, you have nothing actually made by Google but by OEMs, with different names and branding that don't give any real information. Which phone is "the android"? My mom doesn't think she has an android phone, she thinks she has an LG and that Android is a different thing. People buy a low end Android phone and hate the entire ecosystem because the phone perfor…

I have a "crappy" $50 Android phone and I love it. Galaxy Express 3. It gets the job done, has expandable storage, and I don't feel bad when I inevitably drop it in water or lose it.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by thesmok » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 2:59 PM UTC

signal11 wrote: post #207

orbitur wrote: post #139

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The loss of lamination is a regression, but the other features were only present on the Pro model.

They probably got rid of lamination to reduce cost, but I wonder if the loss of lamination will improve repairability.

Sure it will. I once successfully replaced the shattered touchscreen on iPad 2 after just watching 1 YouTube video instruction, and it was pretty cheap since I only had to replace the touchscreen, keeping the same display. With laminated displays, you have to replace the whole package, or employ sophisticated techniques to re-laminate new glass on top of display. It's possible, but requires skills, more specialized tools, and exact amount of special optically clear glue.