It's a shame that crying sexism is beginning to take on the trappings of Salem Witch Trials. Simply implying that what happened was the result of sexism seems to be enough proof that sexism was the cause. This is a nuanced case that probably has much more to do with managerial mistakes. The sexism angle in this story seems very forced and sort of used as a last minute boost to an otherwise boring story of bad management.
Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#552The hula hooping probably wasn't particularly sexual - I would be impressed if any of my coworkers could hula hoop.
I can't. I suck at it. :(
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#553Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The founder's wife story also reminds me of episodes I've heard involving the wife cabal. It's nothing as sinister as the GitHub story, but I see a lot of the same structural issues reflected in these telling anecdotes. If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity th…
This post really bothers me somehow. Edit: Figured out why. I don't understand why saying, "people will call me sexist for this" immediately validates your statement as "not intended to be sexist". >"If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity that I think most men ne…
> Does that entire paragraph not just objectify the wife and establish differences between the sexes based on anecdotal experience?
Re objectification: couples get advice from their life partners. That doesn't mean this is their life partners only goal.
Re: 'establish differences between the sexes based on anecdotal experience' is there anything ethically wrong with this? Would you prefer a citation be added, eg, 'newborn female infants stare at faces more often than male newborn infants'?
Or do you find the mere existence of differences between the sexes to be 'offensive'? In which case, you're more than welcome to be offended.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#554I can't believe that no one has spotted that she is exactly the same annoying feminist that forced the company to get rid of a rug because it used the term "meritocracy". http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug#awesm... Tbfh, she sounds like Adria Richards v2.0
I bet that rug really tied together the room too...
All joking aside, that rug thing is pretty silly. "Meritocracy" is not code for "Straight White Males only." Nevertheless Horvath being feminist does not invalidate any unfair treatment she may have experienced should her claims be substantiated.
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#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "but isn't it to be expected that employees of a tech company will be somewhat socially awkward?" Reverting people's commits and stripping their code out of vengeance isn't social awkwardness, it's completely unacceptable and unprofessional conduct. It doesn't matter what gender anyone is, or that it's being done out of romantic rejection, it's unacceptable. Full stop. Author's complaint is evidently less about bei…
It's easy to assume things that were said without context. Was her code reverted at 12:00 AM because it broke the site? Or was it for something else? If so what? See how the context changes your opinion? Generic 'they reverted my code!' statement does not tell me anything.
Github has no formal QA process or code review?
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#556Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The founder's wife story also reminds me of episodes I've heard involving the wife cabal. It's nothing as sinister as the GitHub story, but I see a lot of the same structural issues reflected in these telling anecdotes. If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity th…
This post really bothers me somehow. Edit: Figured out why. I don't understand why saying, "people will call me sexist for this" immediately validates your statement as "not intended to be sexist". >"If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity that I think most men ne…
I agree with you completely. It belies an inappropriate attitude for the 21st century.
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#558I'm not the first to mention it but for me the big issue is the wife having access to private company information. That type of thing really does make me start thinking about Bitbucket (any other good alternatives dudes?).
I don't see a ton of sexism here though. A developer removing her code because she didn't want to date him isn't sexism. It's unprofessional as hell and possibly a fireable offense depending on the circumstances, but it's not about a generalized animosity toward women.
The hula hoop thing too seems dumb. Maybe you had to be there? Were the male developers' tongues out? Were they making obscene comments? Two ladies hula hooping in the middle of an office is likely to attract attention. Are men supposed to immediately duck and cover and avert their eyes? Seems like she's over-reacting.
Still, assuming everything stated in the article is true, it does raise questions about the founders' judgment. I really like Github and this situation certainly is disappointing.
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#559Awesome piece of office drama. Github is a true corporation now. It would be good base for a movie script. I wouldn't watch because I don't like seeing people hurt eachother in believable ways.
That's good of you.
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#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that how I used it?
Yes, but a last straw is by definition a small thing, so of course it's going to be a small thing. Real life is not a novel.
Ahhhh, gotcha gotcha, rereading it I completely see what your point was.
In fact I'm pretty embarrassed to not have parsed your meaning the first time, my initial thought was just that I had misused the phrase in some way.