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Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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giantg2 wrote: post #198

Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like there's a huge push by the legislature and some people to do anything and everything to prevent CSAM, yet almost nothing seems to be done to prevent CSA. For CSAM, there's all sorts of monitoring, scanning, identify capturing, etc. But it's all after abuse has taken place, and it seems that many of the people actually arrested are arrested for CSAM and not CSA. This has e…

>yet almost nothing seems to be done to prevent CSA.

>that many of the people actually arrested are arrested for CSAM and not CSA

So there are, or there aren't arrests?

Also you hear about CSA arrests all the damn time. If anything it's underplayed in the media somewhat when they're a specific people.

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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nativeit wrote: post #282
Hasz wrote: post #236

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Because it isn't about CSAM, IMO. You see this with plenty of social issues, notably firearms ownership. The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) The same technology/access used for CSAM identification can find copyrighted files, materials…

When did we aggressively legislate against, search for, monitor, investigate, and prosecute owning firearms?

Donald J Trump banned the purchase of bump stocks.

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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myko wrote: post #449
throwaway85825 wrote: post #303

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Every president since Clinton protected epstein too, it's not a partisan thing.

always with the "both sides" stuff, meanwhile trump literally provided girls to Epstein through Mar-A-Lago

I always love his defenders who will cite "But he banned him from MAL"

Yes, as in the documents, he kicked him out for "stealing his girls".

Fucking hell

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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ryandrake wrote: post #354
derektank wrote: post #315

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There’s no concrete evidence that anyone besides Epstein (and by extension Maxwell, who assisted Epstein) actually abused children. Besides the testimony of Virginia Giuffre, nobody else has claimed they were sexually assaulted as minors (Sjoberg was groped by Prince Andrew at Epstein’s home when she was in her early 20s). And neither the FBI nor the Palm Beach PD found physical evidence of such or communications bet…

I'd at least expect there to be an investigation, based on the huge volume of information that already exists. Unless we believe that the files are just 3 million pages of casserole recipes and that the people who visited just went to play Settlers of Catan.

To be utterly fair, most of the "emails" are just inane conversations he had with people.

People love to throw around the statistics about the number of documents, but most are entirely blah

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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giantg2 wrote: post #536
KaiserPro wrote: post #522

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> 360/100k US vs 1200/100k UK. Sorry but 1200 knife deaths per 100k means the annual rate would be 840,000 murders a year. last year the total number of murders in the UK was ~600 which is .86 per 100k (far less than the _gun_ related homicides in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/28/what-the-... ) The reason why I was talking about knife homicides specifically is that comparing knife crime betw…

"360/100k US vs 1200/100k UK" That's the violent crime rate. I do see the 28 was an error. Yes, lower murder rate, but higher violent crime rate.

Lets not forget the UK defines violent crime as any sort of threat, shouting at someone in the street is violent crime.

The US defines violent crime as literal murder.

Those are no way near comparable.

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mschuster91 wrote: post #272
Hasz wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it isn't about CSAM, IMO. You see this with plenty of social issues, notably firearms ownership. The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) The same technology/access used for CSAM identification can find copyrighted files, materials…

> The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) Well, most of Europe simply has banned guns in the hands of civilians instead, so that's some data as well. The only reason why the US is so extremely lax on firearms is because people keep blather…

>Well, most of Europe simply has banned guns in the hands of civilians instead

Nope

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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derektank wrote: post #311
mschuster91 wrote: post #272

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> The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) Well, most of Europe simply has banned guns in the hands of civilians instead, so that's some data as well. The only reason why the US is so extremely lax on firearms is because people keep blather…

>The only reason why the US is so extremely lax on firearms is because people keep blathering on about how guns are the last line of defense against a tyrannical government No, it’s because the right to own firearms is very explicitly stated in our constitution and the constitution requires an extreme super majority to update. A 50%+1 majority is all that’s required to ban civilian ownership of guns in most parliamen…

>No, it’s because the right to own firearms is very explicitly stated in our constitution

No it isn't, it says you have the ability to form a militia. Not wave a AR-15 in Walmart. It's lobbying by the NRA that has changed the definition.

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grosswait wrote: post #482
antonvs wrote: post #414

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> see them as a tool. Yes, a tool for killing. You’re respectful of guns, but where’s your respect for life?

Respectful of liberty. A spear is also a tool for killing. Respect for life is not an expectation of the tool.

Those damn commies have banned me from owning an ICBM

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greedo wrote: post #517
Gareth321 wrote: post #403

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Hitler was not elected Chancellor by the German public. Germany had/has a mixed-member proportional system, meaning that coalitions may form after everyone votes President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor on 30 January 1933 after negotiations among conservative politicians who believed they could control him. The Nazi Party was the largest party, but it won only 33.1% of the vote in the final free R…

Your comment implies that Hitler seized power despite a lack of popularity. The historical record shows that Hitler was wildly popular in Germany, even up to the end of WW2.

I mean 3 seconds after the Nazis surrendered, there was suddenly no Nazis in Germany

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kelnos wrote: post #377
wang_li wrote: post #332

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No part of Europe has “simply banned guns”. Some countries have stricter policies but it’s possibly to own a gun in every country. Some countries are famous for gun ownership, eg switzerland that expects men to keep their militarily issued gun in the home.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with gun ownership in the US if we could require every owner to have military-level firearms training and certification.

That would require you to actually follow the constitution, instead you've got "Nuh-uh! I don't read the rest of the 2A"
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