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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by peab »

qnleigh wrote: post #322
scrollop wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle. I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn'…

Look at this one: https://x.com/Zahri_10i/status/2078211494349537447?s=20

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by fragmede »

qnleigh wrote: post #322
scrollop wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle. I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn'…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm9codc_zwk is my pick, but it's not for everybody.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by 59percentmore »

sanitycheck wrote: post #429
pcthrowaway wrote: post #388

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If you're defining "serious artists" as some approximation of "people who have made money with their art" then it's clear that there's a conflict of interest here. Now I happen to be in the camp that believes that AI on its own isn't really capable of producing art (but like a human creating a collage, there can be art created by humans using AI... there is artistic merit in the arrangement). I still despise that AI…

I'm simply defining serious artists as people who are serious about their art, whether they're award winning filmmakers or amateur photographers. Roughly nobody out of all those people wants to use AI. (If you want to define it as professional artists instead, then I don't even see much of a conflict of interest. Professional programmers tend to be cautiously optimistic about the new tool and are finding uses for it,…

I think it's more that serious artists who don't want to burn their bridges are keeping their AI experimentation/production a secret. It's difficult to openly talk about that work when your friends and acquaintances are saying things like, "People who use gen-ai should die," or, "If you use gen-ai, I never want to talk to you again, instant block."

That side is quite vocal, and has been effective at resulting their fanbases into a witch hunt for anyone who's ever even touched ChatGPT. So anyone who disagrees just stays quiet, for the most part.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by happytoexplain »

59percentmore wrote: post #553
sanitycheck wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm simply defining serious artists as people who are serious about their art, whether they're award winning filmmakers or amateur photographers. Roughly nobody out of all those people wants to use AI. (If you want to define it as professional artists instead, then I don't even see much of a conflict of interest. Professional programmers tend to be cautiously optimistic about the new tool and are finding uses for it,…

I think it's more that serious artists who don't want to burn their bridges are keeping their AI experimentation/production a secret. It's difficult to openly talk about that work when your friends and acquaintances are saying things like, "People who use gen-ai should die," or, "If you use gen-ai, I never want to talk to you again, instant block." That side is quite vocal, and has been effective at resulting their f…

This leans much too hard on the drama of victimization and tribalism ("people in the 'other camp' want me to die", they're "vocal").

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by IanCal »

krapp wrote: post #535
IanCal wrote: post #532

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There’s two sides to what you’ve said - I’d forgotten lots of the things like trying to lock the car doors, which is an additional point although the scene is still pretty direct. The other things you’re saying are about the song and storytelling there which is not relevant here. We’re talking about the translation from the song and lyrics to a video. The things I’d remembered about the video were very direct transla…

I feel like people are being purposely obtuse here. OK. If you want to believe that satire and parody only consist of blindly showing things mentioned in the lyrics in order to imply that these AI generated videos are equivalent in art and skill to what Wierd Al does, I won't even try to stop you. But most people are going to understand the difference between the two and see that argument for the reach that it is.

> I won't even try to stop you

You don't need to, because I've not done that. This may be why you're reading my comments as obtuse because you think I'm saying something that I am not.

I initially thought you were mixing up a discussion about the lyrics vs creating a music video for a song. However now I'm not sure if you think that Weird Al wrote the lyrics after the video was created?

> If you want to believe that satire and parody only consist of blindly showing things mentioned in the lyrics

The songs are excellent parody, and then things like the music video for white and nerdy is pretty much a series of scenes showing exactly what the lyrics are saying. Almost every shot is explicitly the thing being said.

> Al mentions that his rims don't spin not because the rims of the car in the frame aren't spinning but because he's a nerd and why would a nerd have spinning rims?

The lyrics were written first, explaining that his rims don't spin. This is because he's a nerd. The music video was then created, and at the point this is sung he points to his stationary rims.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by IanCal »

automatic6131 wrote: post #366
IanCal wrote: post #259

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Lots of the shots in white and nerdy are literally showing what the lyrics are describing, is there another level to them with references I’ve missed?

That's because White and Nerdy isn't a standalone song (if it was, it would be rubbish). It only has value as referential humour and self deprecating parody. So by being literal, it's using juxtaposition to emphasise the humour: It's funny when the nerd is pointing at the old JS logo and star trek's klingon icon because one would typically expect there to be something related to black culture, as in the start of the…

I think you're mixing up the lyrics and the video.

> It's funny when the nerd is pointing at the old JS logo and star trek's klingon icon

The lyrics are funny. The video is almost entirely converting each near standalone statement into a very direct scene. "I'm fluent in javascript as well as klingon" is the funny line about his nerdiness, and the video is literally just him pointing to those logos.

Key and Peele locking the car doors is one of the few things that happens that's in the video and not explicitly said in the lyrics.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by userbinator »

qnleigh wrote: post #322
scrollop wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle. I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn'…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M9r6PZPaIo (slightly NSFW)

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by userbinator »

tejohnso wrote: post #449
Spacecosmonaut wrote: post #436

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I wonder how much of the sloppy feeling is created by the knowledge that its AI generated.

Same. I think there's a lot of AI prejudice influencing people's opinions on AI output. I wonder what would happen in a study where some art is critiqued by one group that is informed that the art was created by AI and another group that is uninformed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48137126

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by userbinator »

jvorick wrote: post #485
websap wrote: post #482

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The scary thing is that this is the worst this technology will ever be. The media industry is cooked. Get ready for $100 movie theater tickets, because the cost actual creative work is going to go sky high in the next few years

Movie tickets won't skyrocket. The price to make content will only go down. Best case, creators will be able to make better movies w/ a fraction of the $$ (faster iteration on concepts, cheaper CGI, no need to hire extras, etc). Worst case, movie makers don't find AI useful and ticket prices stay the same.

cheaper CGI

Worth noting that the weird artifacts and morphing transitions that seem to be "free" and perhaps too abundant in AI videos would've probably been impossible or extremely difficult to create otherwise.

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