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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by krapp »

throw310822 wrote: post #336
krapp wrote: post #113

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No one is criticizing the photorealistic video generation. Yes, AI has gotten very good at that, I don't think anyone is disputing that. At some point you have to move past your astonishment at the technical achievement alone and judge the result for what it is, on its own merits, as if a human had made it. Especially when the goal of using generative AI is to remove as many human creators and as much human effort fr…

> judge the result for what it is, on its own merits, as if a human had made it. I don't think anyone was proposing this as an actual professional music video, right? It's a tech demo that used all of $25 of budget. So why are you judging it "on its own merits, as if a human had made it"?

Most of the "professional" AI generated content I've seen isn't much better than this. It all lacks in the same dimensions, it's all the same sort of mediocre and uncanny. Claiming "it's a tech demo, actually quality doesn't matter" isn't going to cut it when this technology is already replacing actual human professional work.

Besides, several people in this thread have already decided that these tech demos are better than human created music videos. In fact, many AI "artists" already claim generative AI has surpassed humans in every relevant metric and they judge it on the same merits as I do just coming to the opposite conclusion. They certainly aren't waiting until it's "good" to call it art.

So it's entirely valid to point out that this technology is actually bad at doing the thing it's supposed to do.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by simianwords »

sarchertech wrote: post #415
simianwords wrote: post #387

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Multiple issues with this argument. First you use crew and directors as holding dual use - one is collaborating on the idea itself. One is a necessary thing in the process. Crew is important primarily because they literally appear on screen. That they help collaborate is a good side effect. AI still allows you to get collaborators for ideas and eliminates need that is usually a waste of time. I get your point on usin…

Constraint breeds creativity. If you get to the point where AI can put anything you want on the screen with complete freedom, you’re going to get complete horse shit. >fake constraints People add fake constraints all the time. Artists using AI will have to learn to artificially constrain themselves to produce anything good. My guess is it takes about 50 years. At the same time there will always be people who want to…

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by shmeeed »

seu wrote: post #317

All videos are so full of stereotypes and clichés, often borderline (or just plainly) racist. But of course, that's not the main worry for people making these things, right...

Does the original video fare any better? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by simianwords »

sanitycheck wrote: post #429
pcthrowaway wrote: post #388

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If you're defining "serious artists" as some approximation of "people who have made money with their art" then it's clear that there's a conflict of interest here. Now I happen to be in the camp that believes that AI on its own isn't really capable of producing art (but like a human creating a collage, there can be art created by humans using AI... there is artistic merit in the arrangement). I still despise that AI…

I'm simply defining serious artists as people who are serious about their art, whether they're award winning filmmakers or amateur photographers. Roughly nobody out of all those people wants to use AI. (If you want to define it as professional artists instead, then I don't even see much of a conflict of interest. Professional programmers tend to be cautiously optimistic about the new tool and are finding uses for it,…

https://variety.com/2026/film/news/martin-scorsese-supports-...

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by natebc »

abc42 wrote: post #405
simmerup wrote: post #359

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Why would you want to make a video like that though, it’s soulless slop

Why would you think that soulless slop is the only thing this technology can make?

... because of the evidence all around us?

But really, nobody said "only" it's just that the gems are drowning alongside us in a sea of bullshit and the tide is still on the way up I'm afraid.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by Spacecosmonaut »

hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

I wonder how much of the sloppy feeling is created by the knowledge that its AI generated.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by krapp »

IanCal wrote: post #259
krapp wrote: post #43

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Wierd Al videos are a parody of an existing property. "White and Nerdy" is a parody of "Riding Dirty" by Chamillionaire, but the lyrics are about nerd stereotypes (as an intentional contrast with black culture as presented in the original,) and a great deal of creative effort is put into making those lyrics humorous while also fitting to the original theme. Nothing about Wierd Al's videos are "totally literal," certa…

Lots of the shots in white and nerdy are literally showing what the lyrics are describing, is there another level to them with references I’ve missed?

It's Riding Dirty but it it's about a guy who does anything but.

It's a song about how white people find black culture cool but are themselves stereotypically uncool.

It's a song about nerd culture and celebrating that, wherein a white nerd makes the same kinds of boasts that black rappers do in their music, but about nerd stuff.

It's layered, as any good parody has to be, with cultural references. When Al mows the lawn, he isn't just mowing the lawn because the lyrics say he's mowing the lawn, he's mowing the lawn because that's a sterotype of white people, and the intent is to show how uncool Al is and how unlikely he is to fit into the culture he aspires to. Note that when Key and Peele show up they lock the door on their convertible. This is a joke because their convertible is down and locking it while literally useless is an expression of their frustration with Al's nerdiness, it's also something white people stereotypically do around black people. The candles behind him are arranged like a Pac-Man. Al mentions that his rims don't spin not because the rims of the car in the frame aren't spinning but because he's a nerd and why would a nerd have spinning rims?

In "Amish Paradise" there's a part where Al sweats profusely. This is both a reference to the hard physical labor employed by the Amish and to the original Gangster's Paradise video.

The levels you're missing are irony, cultural awareness and genre awareness. The context is what makes the humor work.

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Post by perching_aix »

spaqin wrote: post #311
scrollop wrote: post #298

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As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

Art isn't just the screenplay, or a prompt; it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department. And it may change during production. And effort. If it's easy, it's easily reproducible and not worth that much. And novelty, that's something current models aren't capable of. That's why Jarimoquai's Virtua…

A notable chunk of criticism GenAI receives has to do with output irreproducibility and semantic instability relative to the input, so this is a bit entertaining to read.

If there's a way to do something better and worse, then one can absolutely talk about added and absent value. I browse AI generated images a ton, and the difference between beginner / low effort submissions and high effort / advanced submissions is very stark.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by smoe »

mapt wrote: post #428
smoe wrote: post #410

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Interestingly, I enjoyed early GenAI videos much more. All those bizarre, fever dream like experiences from the lack of consistency between frames, where things would morph or pop in and out of existence. They had a certain flair and something truly distinct to the medium. Now it is mostly just this uncanny valley of bringing stock photography to life. Obviously, there will be some who use AI to great artistic effect…

Have you been following Gossip Goblin?

Gossip Goblin, I think, is a great example of what artists with actual working experience can do with AI.

That said, for my taste, his works, while visually beautiful and interesting, feel a bit collage-y and lacking in emotion. The over the top visuals distract from a lack of depth. Sound design is very meh.

As I said, I think there are and will be many artists using AI in great and novel ways. It’s just that so far I have seen many more grifters than artists.

I’m not yet convinced that AI will bring us the next Masamune Shirow, Katsuhiro Otomo, Moebius, H.R. Giger, or Syd Mead in terms of lasting stylistic impact on the genre without them having to learn some actual skills, rather than just being an “idea person"

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by Turneyboy »

spaqin wrote: post #324
bjourne wrote: post #168

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Eh, I'd like to see YOU make a better music video for $100 or less!

I have done a few - even if very amateurish, still learning, on the side, for saxophone covers. Budget was basically just transportation to the location. I don't count the price of my equipment in the budget because I'm also not counting the price of a datacenter here.

You are also discounting your time which is not fair
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