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Re: Claude Fable 5

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> Software engineering. During early testing, Stripe reported that Fable 5 compressed months of engineering into days. In a 50-million-line Ruby codebase, the model performed a codebase-wide migration in a day that would otherwise have taken a whole team over two months by hand. How was it measured? How was the output of this magnitude verified over a period of couple of days?

I'm a little skeptical of claims like this that involve migrating things like libraries, etc. I've done big refactors like this multiple times (albeit, in an "only" 500k-1m LOC codebase) with less powerful models and it is usually just 99% the same edits, with 1% requiring a close human eye to resolve a particularly painful breaking change.

EDIT: to be clear, it's still quite a helpful thing in terms of time saved, I just don't think it's necessarily the best indication of value-added from making models smarter when cases like this can often be handled by well-directed swarms of smaller ones.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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I've spent enough time with this now in Claude Code (and Claude.ai and Claude Code for web) to have an opinion on Fable 5: it's a beast. I'm throwing some VERY difficult problems at at - things I've been dragging my heels on for months - and it's crunching through them very happily. One that I'm willing to share (albeit from just a week ago) - I built a Python library last week that bundles MicroPython compiled to WA…

How much does it cost? How much did those tasks you did cost?

Re: Claude Fable 5

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So essentially there are 2 models, Mythos and Fable, they have the same weights but Fable is very safety-nerfed, and only ultra authorized companies have access to mythos with full capabilities Reported benchmarks: swe-bench verified mythos 5: 95.5%; fable 5: 95.0% swe-bench pro mythos 5: 80.3%; fable 5: 80.0% terminal-bench 2.1 mythos 5: 88.0%; fable 5: 84.3% gpqa diamond mythos 5: 94.1% riemannbench mythos 5: 55.0%…

I love that the conditions of getting into "ultra authorized club" just means that you either have deep pockets, or you've got the size of the audience that marketing department approves.

As if being in any of these two somehow means that you won't use the models to say, steal random people's money.

Sam Bankman-Fried or Elizabeth Holmes would have been the members of Glasswings project, if not one of the initial members. Who's to say we don't have similar people with access to Mythos right now?

Re: Claude Fable 5

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post #553
post #534

I've spent enough time with this now in Claude Code (and Claude.ai and Claude Code for web) to have an opinion on Fable 5: it's a beast. I'm throwing some VERY difficult problems at at - things I've been dragging my heels on for months - and it's crunching through them very happily. One that I'm willing to share (albeit from just a week ago) - I built a Python library last week that bundles MicroPython compiled to WA…

How much does it cost? How much did those tasks you did cost?

So far it's all fitting into my current $100/month Claude Max subscription. I got lucky: I had 80% of my weekly allowance left and it resets tomorrow, so I'm burning tokens to try and use it all up by then.

Update: looks like I've spent $82.92 in Fable 5 API priced tokens so far today (still all included in my subscription.)

Here's a TIL on how I'm calculating spending using AgentsView: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/agentsview-custom-model-p...

Re: Claude Fable 5

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post #534

I've spent enough time with this now in Claude Code (and Claude.ai and Claude Code for web) to have an opinion on Fable 5: it's a beast. I'm throwing some VERY difficult problems at at - things I've been dragging my heels on for months - and it's crunching through them very happily. One that I'm willing to share (albeit from just a week ago) - I built a Python library last week that bundles MicroPython compiled to WA…

High, extra, or max?

High.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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post #290

Honestly all the recent improvements, just seem to be slower and more expensive traded for more accuracy, but the issue is that it needs to be exponentially more accurate to counter the effect of having less of a human in a loop. Every wrong direction/mistake is more expensive and takes more time to fix. When you have small loops you can catch those mistakes faster and cheaper. To me we are very far off from economic…

I think we hit the ceiling with transformer -architecture long time ago. It is questionable how much sense there is on model training. I’d prefer we would put our effort in creating more efficient hardware and better software applications using these models.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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post #534

I've spent enough time with this now in Claude Code (and Claude.ai and Claude Code for web) to have an opinion on Fable 5: it's a beast. I'm throwing some VERY difficult problems at at - things I've been dragging my heels on for months - and it's crunching through them very happily. One that I'm willing to share (albeit from just a week ago) - I built a Python library last week that bundles MicroPython compiled to WA…

But, but, how does the pelican look?!

Re: Claude Fable 5

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post #534

I've spent enough time with this now in Claude Code (and Claude.ai and Claude Code for web) to have an opinion on Fable 5: it's a beast. I'm throwing some VERY difficult problems at at - things I've been dragging my heels on for months - and it's crunching through them very happily. One that I'm willing to share (albeit from just a week ago) - I built a Python library last week that bundles MicroPython compiled to WA…

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