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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

afpx wrote: post #548
yieldcrv wrote: post #539

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The conditional paths to salvation is a core aspect of Christianity whether your personal journey and house of worship focuses on that or not Evangelicalism is an accelerationist sect to get your savior to come back and bring the most devout to heaven at the expense of everyone else, before allowing the world to get destroyed These are inseparable concepts. You may have simply began identifying as Evangelic just by b…

That’s quite a response! And, the confidence! I appreciate you, man.

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

gunsle wrote: post #549
slg wrote: post #331

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

There is no where near 100m American evangelicals. There’s less than 60m almost certainly. It doesn’t account for everything.

I've seen estimates that 6% of America is evangelical. (Source: my memory.) Note that the estimate comes from an evangelical, who is drawing the lines at what an evangelical considers evangelical; that may not correspond with where others think the lines should be drawn.

But accepting that number, 6% x 340 million people = 20.4 million evangelicals.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Cyph0n wrote: post #157
ceejayoz wrote: post #117

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No one’s putting a public traffic cam in the regime’s secret detention sites.

Ah, so now none of the protesters were gunned down in the streets? How convenient. > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME—indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... Imagine infiltrating the Iranian surveillance camera network an…

Some of the people the theocratic Islamic Regime murdered for wanting a little bit of freedom.

https://www.bbc.com/persian/resources/idt-c005edd8-7204-4c74...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by za3faran »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #545
beernet wrote: post #501

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> Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. What? What kind of world view is that? Surely not a factual one. I have no view here other than what I hear from people and news. What stokes me is that people like you are really shocked and surprised when confronted with the truth.

I have met only a handful of Americans that thinks Israel should not exist. They have all been for a two state solution. Yes, basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

The movement is growing slowly but surely. More and more people want nothing to do with them, and to want to cease sending tax dollars that enable them to continue their atrocities.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by fakedang »

petre wrote: post #450
fakedang wrote: post #433

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That's precisely what I meant. Hamas always had these plans on how to launch an attack. Israel gave them the opening. And why is everyone forgetting the fact that Yahya Shinwar was basically a Mossad puppet by the time he was released? They released him precisely because they thought that he was milder compared to his contemporaries in Doha. People who've been to that border in normal times know how fiercely that bor…

It escapes me how a Palestinian born in a refugee camp and involved into lifetime strife against Israel can also be a Mossad puppet, but who knows. Hamas are crazy fundamentalists that Iran is using along with Hezbollah to perpetrate attacks against Israel. Just what Netanyahu needs to start another war.

Every Gazan is not a Hamas supporter. Do you know the kind of shit Hamas pulls against its own people?

There wasn't any chance of Hamas being overthrown by the Palestinians either. With clandestine support from both Israel and Qatar, Hamas ensured that they were the only ones with guns on the Strip.

Yahya Sinwar was captured and imprisoned in a Mossad cell for years. Even if he weren't an active Israeli puppet, Mossad would've easily known the ways they could manipulate him into a specific action, and egged him to carry that out. It's already been established that the Hamas leadership in Qatar were in the dark with respect to the October 7 attacks when they first happened too. I don't condone Hamas either, but it's also very likely Israel is heavily complicit.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by ted_bunny »

basilgohar wrote: post #31

"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?

Israel is going to be a marvelous scapegoat. If dispensationalists are really in charge, the US will turn its back on them for 3.5 years, the first half of the tribulation.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

za3faran wrote: post #554
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #545

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I have met only a handful of Americans that thinks Israel should not exist. They have all been for a two state solution. Yes, basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

The movement is growing slowly but surely. More and more people want nothing to do with them, and to want to cease sending tax dollars that enable them to continue their atrocities.

Having opinions on where tax dollars go has little do to with someone advocating for destroying an entire nuclearly armed country.

Basically nobody in the USA wants it do that.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by throwaway23984 »

balex wrote: post #516
catigula wrote: post #121

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The parasite completes its lifecycle, consuming the host.

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Posting from a throwaway account just because this is such a sensitive issue, but posting my genuine thoughts.

I assume I am very out of touch with antisemitism since I have always lived in countries where I assume there aren't very many Jewish people, and I never hear much about them.

I understand that there was a lot of really terrible antisemitism for a very long period of history, and I read and hear that there is some amount of trying to pretend that never happened, which must make it even harder to deal with.

However, I think a lot of the criticism of Israel's policy and actions is probably unrelated to the fact that the people are Jewish. A lot of criticism of the most actions by Israel in Palestine is from the US and Europe, and there is also a history of animosity towards Islam in these places.

Also, there's a chance that a lot of people are clueless about classic antisemitic metaphors. I certainly am. I might have heard parasite used in that context, but I'm not certain I would have thought of it if I was trying to make a similar point to the GP's (about a small nation's relationship to a larger one).

Anyway, not sure whether this post will help anything, but just opening up my thoughts in case they help.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by za3faran »

stale2002 wrote: post #557
za3faran wrote: post #554

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The movement is growing slowly but surely. More and more people want nothing to do with them, and to want to cease sending tax dollars that enable them to continue their atrocities.

Having opinions on where tax dollars go has little do to with someone advocating for destroying an entire nuclearly armed country. Basically nobody in the USA wants it do that.

The implication of stopping tax dollars from going there is that they will not be able to sustain themselves. This is obvious to many people at this point in time, and this latest war against Iran has awakened even more (let alone the ongoing genocide). There are many people in the USA who wish to see the end of colonization of occupied Palestine.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by giardini »

solarhoma wrote: post #534
giardini wrote: post #515

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solarhoma sez "it was illegal to burn the Israeli flag in the US before it was illegal to burn the US flag," It is legal to burn the USA flag in the USA.

Ok. Then my point stands even more firmly that you are able to burn the flag of the country you reside in yet cannot burn the flag of a foreign nation.

Nope. For the most part in the USA you can burn any flag provided you aren't violating some property law or safety statute by doing so.
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