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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by watwut » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:23 AM UTC

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

This is a hotly debated topic. The John Mearsheimer view is that "The Lobby" [1] has effective control over US foreign policy. There's a lot of evidence for this such as AIPAC indirectly unseating anti-Israel candidates. The Thomas Massie primary was the most expensive in history. $35 million. For a primary . Noam Chomsky on the other hand rejects the notion of "the lobby" [2], instead arguing that Israel is an tool…

John Mearsheimer fully discredited himself around the start of Ukrainian war.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by warumdarum » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:23 AM UTC

They are surrounded by a murderous imperialist religion that is currently purging the remains of all other minorities. The only "ally" they have halfway around the world is split in half, one half abadoning the values the alliance builds on, the other in full blown denial of all reality not fitting into some utopian messianic vision. Man, i would send spies to the ISS to, if i was on a spacewalk and some maniacs in the airlock started a fight on how to cut my lifeline..

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by zuzululu » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:40 AM UTC

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That sounds unhinged and delusional but what steps have you taken besides just writing comments about your anti-semitic fantasies online ?

What did I say that was anti-semetic? Being anti-zionist != anti-semantic... My dearest friends are jewish and have no qualms with my opinions and completely agree with me that Israel needs to be stopped by any means necessary. Now that I think about it, literally all the closest people in my life are Jewish. Ive never been called anti-semitic by anyone who isn't a blood thirsty Zionist using Judiasm as a shield.

You are not convincing anyone here.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by kumarski » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:43 AM UTC

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I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

Where was that apparatus on october 7th?

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by orwin » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:45 AM UTC

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Yeah, the 30k number is hogwash, but HR NGOs and OSINT volunteers worked up 7k dead in protest over 50 days, including 200 police/military forces, and a maximum of 18k death if you count the fights against separatist/freedom fighter/terrorists (depending on who you are aligned with, choose the description you like more)

> the 30k number is hogwash 30k is one estimate of actual deaths, it's expected to be higher than any verified number of deaths. Most estimates fall into the range of 20k to 40k from my understanding so 30k is certainly plausible.

The absolute maximum number of deaths imputable to the IRGC during the winter revolt is 18k. Of that, only 7k have been verified, and of that, only 6k have been from protesters. The reason the 11k have been harder to verify is that most of them were in the fringe of the country, far from hospital, in rural area, and the fighting there was intense. A good part of the unverified 11k might have been civilians caught in the crossfire (an element of propaganda from the IRGC in Baluchistan is that separatists are terrorists targeting civilians, which is 'funny' (very relatively) because it looks a lot like western usual propaganda)

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by throw310822 » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:48 AM UTC

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>> Jewish people lived in that region first. I'm going to skip over the obvious assertion that they weren't- Cainanites were in the promised land when they arrived - but instead focus on the "here first" doctrine. Because if "here first" is the primary source of political legitimacy then that argument extends to lots of places. It would require that Texas should be part of Mexico, that current govts in Australia, New…

It's also fun that the people who advocate the right for Jews to "return" to Palestine because they were there 2000 years ago, are the same that deny the right of return of Palestinians to the land because "dude you lost it 80 years ago, you need to accept and give up".

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Post by Asooka » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 7:49 AM UTC

So this is the USA under Trump. Anti-semitism as official government policy. Didn't take long for him to show his true colours as dictator.

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Post by hedayet » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 8:00 AM UTC

Putting politics aside, are any tech companies actually taking preventive steps in response to this new risk?

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by fakedang » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 8:41 AM UTC

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The entire Shia sect is basically an apocalyptic religious movement. Has been since the start when Ali, the first Imam and fourth Caliph for the Sunnis, was assassinated, his sons following him, only for the assassination mastermind to usurp his Caliphate. Combine that with the millenarianism of the Safavids in the 15th and 16th centuries.

> entire Shia sect is basically an apocalyptic religious movement This seems incredible? Like, apocalypitc evangelists have practically never built a proper civilisation. Shia Islam has golden-age Islam to its credit.

Not really. It is to be noted that Shiism for the most part was a very fringe sect for most of history. Even in Iran and Iraq, their traditional strongholds today, Shiism didn't have a strong enough presence until the reign of Shah Ismail Safavid, the first Safavid emperor who also hailed from a distinguished religious order called the Safawiyyah. In fact, the Safawiyyah were originally a Sunni military order based out of Azerbaijan, before converting to Shiism, and under his reign began a mass conversion campaign across his Iranian empire to force convert Sunnis to Shiism.

When Shiism took root in Iran, they enjoyed favor with Persian culture, which has always been a strongly defensive culture which has had to fight against multiple threats throughout its history. Persian culture has always had this "us vs the others" mentality, in which Shiism fit perfectly as a fringe movement.

Even then, most Shiites didn't take Shia practices or even Islamic practices seriously - many just continued their previous traditions as is. Even today, there are Shias who visit Zoroastrian fire temples and pray there, or depict imagery of Muhammad with fires around his head - something that would be blasphemous in Sunni Islam.

Had Ismail Safavid's conversion campaign not have happened, Shiism would have been just another fringe sect like Ibadism, the predominant sect in Oman which comprises less than 0.5% of the global Islamic population (3 million members).

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Post by petre » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 8:55 AM UTC

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Hamas are fanatics and were dumb enough to try it. They also had the tunnels, missiles from Iran. But I"m quite inclined to believe the Israeli leadership let it happen as a pretext to crush them afterwards, level Gaza, maybe even go against Hezbollah and Iran, but that's a bit too far fetrched.

That's precisely what I meant. Hamas always had these plans on how to launch an attack. Israel gave them the opening. And why is everyone forgetting the fact that Yahya Shinwar was basically a Mossad puppet by the time he was released? They released him precisely because they thought that he was milder compared to his contemporaries in Doha. People who've been to that border in normal times know how fiercely that bor…

It escapes me how a Palestinian born in a refugee camp and involved into lifetime strife against Israel can also be a Mossad puppet, but who knows.

Hamas are crazy fundamentalists that Iran is using along with Hezbollah to perpetrate attacks against Israel. Just what Netanyahu needs to start another war.