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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dalyons »

cyberax wrote: post #367
Yizahi wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs are fine and dandy, but it is a luxury class of cars for now and it shows really. Most other countries are far far away from mass deployment of EVs or restricting ICE cars. EVs can win if either a) the car is cheaper than the same class ICE, or b) operational expenses of using EV car would be cheaper. Neither of which is happening yet. And the car do need to have some advantage, since EVs already come with inhere…

> the car is cheaper than the same class ICE, To give you some perspective, the most popular EV in China costs $6000 (Wuling Mini). New. The second most popular costs $10000 (Geely Xingyuan). I tried both, and they are far less crappy than they have the right to be. They are cheap cars for sure, but they're perfectly adequate for regular use. And Geely Xingyuan has a 40kWh battery in the basic configuration! This is…

yes, there a lot of outdated perspectives in these threads. The world has changed, EVs are the cheaper option now, its just going to take awhile for some places to catch up.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by sathackr »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #536
spookybones wrote: post #393

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Mexico City needs this badly. It would be beautiful if it wasn't for the smog and noise of traffic.

Inversion layer there will still trap ev particulate unfortunately

ev particulate is identical if not less than fossil fuel.

same tires (actually a little harder due to being LRR tires) same brakes (that get used significantly less thanks to regenerative braking)

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dalyons »

tormeh wrote: post #296
Nition wrote: post #287

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I mean sales, specifically new car pure EV sales for 2025. We are only at 3% EVs on the road. I think for much of the population a brand new EV is simply too expensive.

Tbf a plug-in is just an EV that somehow runs on petrol 4 times a year. In practice the vast majority of driving is done on battery power.

sadly thats not true at all. In practice, on average as a category, PHEVs barely save any real world emissions over gas (~20%).

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-...

https://electrek.co/2026/02/19/biggest-study-yet-shows-plug-...

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by sathackr »

badc0ffee wrote: post #542
kjkjadksj wrote: post #536

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Inversion layer there will still trap ev particulate unfortunately

What is EV particulate? Like brake or tire dust?

yes. it's an argument that since EVs are heavier than fossil-fuel vehicles due to their batteries, that they generate more particulate emissions (brakes/tire dust) than fossil-fuel vehicles.

it's a wrong argument, but it's still circulated in groups of factually-challenged people

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by darknavi »

sys_64738 wrote: post #270
darknavi wrote: post #197

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> Anything you need to plug into a power source is doomed to fail. Totally disagree. One of the reasons I drive an EV is so I _can_ plug it in and never go to a gas station again. What a useless exercise and waste of my time, especially for a penny-pincher like me who would wait in like for 20 minutes at Costco for gas.

Plugging it in is why it is so awful. It takes ages to charge it and you don't get very much range for a full charge. Battery technology is so incredibly poor right now and EV manufacturers are just plain dumb until they make the body of the car harness the sun's rays.

For me it likely won't matter 98% of the time. I charge at home and already cap out my existing circuit and it's plenty fast for me (around 10% of range per hour).

For those not with an overnihht charging parking spot I can see the appeal though.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by arbitrary_name »

hedora wrote: post #465
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

As far as I can tell, a software defined vehicle is one that has fewer computers in it for cost cutting reasons. There’s an argument to be made that this allows better integration between subsystems, and therefore a better user experience. We have a vehicle built this way. It is a death trap. Most of its safety issues can’t really be blamed on it using a new computer network technology. For instance, if it is dawn or…

can you share what vehicle that is? i don't know why you wouldn't just name it in the post...

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by TheDong »

leftytak wrote: post #500

Eva are great until you have the replace the battery. Then you’ll finally realize the real cost of owning an EV. Once people realize that, then the game is over. Honda is just forecasting the future more accurately than other automakers.

Gas cars are great until you realize you have to replace the gas. Then you'll realize the cost of owning a gas car.

Once people realize they're literally burning the expensive gas they put in their vehicle, the game is over.

Also, gas is a limited resource which after you burn never ever comes back, so it is expected to get more expensive, while all the rare earth metals in batteries can be recycled into new batteries because when you use the battery, you aren't actually burning it away into nothing. You can even recharge it.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by mook »

slg wrote: post #346
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

>you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled, then paying rent (or a fee) to turn them on. This is very much not what "software-defined vehicle" means which itself is very much not the same thing as EVs. It's possible to criticize the explotative business practices you mentioned (or bad UI practices like moving everything to a touchscreen instead of physical buttons) without linking th…

> At a societal level, cars that can automatically fix a "recall" with an over-the-air update are generally better than recalls that will wait to get fixed until an owner schedules an appointment to have the car serviced.

Experience with boxed versus updatable software, particularly video games, says otherwise. When it costs a lot for the manufacturer to fix defects, they put more emphasis on not having them in the first place. Otherwise we just just a parade of defects all the time. Even if it's minor things and never fixed, the user can adapt; that's not possible in the face of continuous updates.

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Post by auggierose »

hedora wrote: post #465
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

As far as I can tell, a software defined vehicle is one that has fewer computers in it for cost cutting reasons. There’s an argument to be made that this allows better integration between subsystems, and therefore a better user experience. We have a vehicle built this way. It is a death trap. Most of its safety issues can’t really be blamed on it using a new computer network technology. For instance, if it is dawn or…

Jesus christ. This should be just forbidden. What car is this? I guess you wouldn't buy it again?

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by rasz »

BirAdam wrote: post #223
fpoling wrote: post #180

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Toyota Yaris, a small budget car has physical buttons for everything.

Yaris has been discontinued.

Not to mention Toyota already screwed with to the point people deliberately avoid gen2. gr yaris adas cant be permanently disabled.
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