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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by medi8r »

MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #486
lesuorac wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the original contract, it's entirely appropriate for a vendor to tell the customer how to use any materials. Imagine a _leaded_ pipe supplier not being allowed to tell the department of war they shouldn't use leaded pipes for drinking water! It's the job of the vendor to tell the customer appropriate usage.

This is quite literally the norm for things with known dangerous use cases. Go look at the package on a kitchen knife and it says not to be used as a weapon

These knife and lead analogies don't map well to the reality of AI. Note: just talking about the analogy itself not the point you are making.

Edit: hell I get downvoted and look where the knife analogy got us. A load of weird replies miles away from anything related to AI or DoD.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by singleshot_ »

zmgsabst wrote: post #500
j2kun wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a waste of your effort to apply rational argument to the actions of a group that are in it for a shakedown.

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> they’re legally required to in the US

Obviously false, not even arguable

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by cube00 »

davidw wrote: post #429
ctoth wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hint: It's much easier to have good PR by being actually good. Though it does make people like this do the whole implication thing.

I saw this the other day: > Costco is a really popular subject for business-success case studies but I feel like business guys kinda lose interest when the upshot of the study is like "just operate with scrupulous integrity in all facets and levels of your business for four decades" and not some easy-to-fix gimmick https://bsky.app/profile/mtsw.bsky.social/post/3lnbrfrvmss26

I don't know, staff at my two Costcos feel much more disinterested and rude then I remember a decade ago. It used to feel fun but now it's miserable.

At peak times they run out of carts and tell the customers to go hunting in the lot for them, door greeters shouting at members across the floor, checkout queues stretch the length of the warehouse, they start half blocking the gas station entrance 30mins before close so trucks can't get in, so maybe they're turning those profit screws.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by throw9x9 »

hoppoli wrote: post #510

American people: latinamerican here. Maybe it's silly to root for a country in the world hegemony arena. I've usually been partial to the USA over China. Now I'm not rooting for your country anymore. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have China being the foremost power, at least they seem to be less keen on invading or heavily strong-arming latinamerica

and USA created Islamic terrorism that is plaguing the whole world

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by biophysboy »

RivieraKid wrote: post #495
mikepurvis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a very clear differentiator for them relative to Google, Facebook, and OpenAI, all of whom are clearly varying degrees of willing to sell themselves out for evil purposes.

Is making effective weapons evil?

What does effective weapons mean in this particular instance?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by cannabis_sam »

A drunkard, ex-fox news host, wants mass surveillance and automated killing, what could go wrong?

I wish I thought enough Americans had the spine required to stand up to this, and I know for a fact that a lot do... the solution is literally written into your constitution.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by monknomo »

nickysielicki wrote: post #237

This could kill Anthropic. The designation says any contractor, supplier, or partner doing business with the US military can’t conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Well, AWS has JWCC. Microsoft has Azure Government. Google has DoD contracts. If that language is enforced broadly, then Claude gets kicked off Bedrock, Vertex, and potentially Azure… which is where all the enterprise revenue lives. Claude canno…

It is narrower than that by law, though not by their proclamation.

That label forbids contractors on DoD contracts for billing DoD for Anthropic, or including Anthropic as part of their DoD solution.

So - AWS can keep claude on bedrock, but can't provide claude to the DoD under its DoD contracts

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by acdha »

nemo44x wrote: post #389
labrador wrote: post #17

Good. I'd rather not have my favorite AI from a company working on AGI to have murder and spying in it's DNA. In fact, as a patriotic American veteran, I'd be ok with Anthropic moving to Europe. It might be better for Claude and AGI, which are overriding issues for me. Rutger Bregman @rcbregman This is a huge opportunity for Europe. Welcome Anthropic with open arms. Roll out the red carpet. Visa for all employees. Eu…

Why wouldn’t the government just arrest their board and execs on charges of treason or something? At this point they could probably publicly hang them all and a plurality of Americans would cheer it. I don’t know if you appreciate how disliked tech is by the left and right alike.

The left would never support that lawlessness: opposition to AI is based on things like ethics, environmental impact, etc. which are predicated on concepts like the rule of law. People are calling for regulation or UBI, mor killings.

The right has far more talk of violence, true, but a lot of that is targeted rhetoric to keep voters riled up, and it’s not aimed at American businesses. I’d be surprised if even a third of Republicans supported anything more than not doing business with Anthropic. Even the Nvidia shakedown got a ton of criticism and that’s just money.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by altairprime »

uncletammy wrote: post #543
lesuorac wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the original contract, it's entirely appropriate for a vendor to tell the customer how to use any materials. Imagine a _leaded_ pipe supplier not being allowed to tell the department of war they shouldn't use leaded pipes for drinking water! It's the job of the vendor to tell the customer appropriate usage.

Not in software though. Clear precedent has been established via EULAs. Software companies set the rules and if users don't like, they can piss off. I don't see why it would be any different for the government.

The government is armed and can exempt itself from prosecution either by judicial means and/or by naked force. So it isn’t just a cut and dry licensing problem.
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