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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by cyanydeez »

DivingForGold wrote: post #418
NickAndresen wrote: post #15

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as…

Supply chain risk ? Seems the risk here is the US Gov't wanting free reign to do whatever they want - - when they want. Look no further than the famous expose by Mark Klein, the former AT&T technician and whistleblower who exposed the NSA's mass surveillance program in 2006, revealing the existence of "Room 641A" in San Francisco. He discovered that AT&T was using a "splitter" to copy and divert internet traffic to t…

The risk is a business that doesn't lick the boot might speak truth to power.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by echoangle »

trelane wrote: post #269

https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/2027500334999081294 It is an interesting point. What's the difference between this use license and others?

If the government thinks the terms of Anthropic are unacceptable, they can just stop using them, right? But why would you then retaliate and ban other companies from making business with Anthropic if they want to be a defense contractor? How do these requirements make Anthropic a supply chain risk that makes them unusable for use by other companies?

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Post by bluebarbet »

Someone1234 wrote: post #53

Topics like this are where I struggle with HN philosophy. Normally avoiding politics and ideology where possible, created higher quality and more interesting discussions. But how do you even begin to discuss that Tweet or this topic without talking about ideology and to contextualize this with other seemingly unrelated things currently going on in the US? I genuinely don't think I'm conversationally agile enough to b…

Please at least try. There are already enough contributors here "qualified" to talk about politics.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by kranke155 »

lesuorac wrote: post #442
_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

Regardless of the original contract, it's entirely appropriate for a vendor to tell the customer how to use any materials. Imagine a _leaded_ pipe supplier not being allowed to tell the department of war they shouldn't use leaded pipes for drinking water! It's the job of the vendor to tell the customer appropriate usage.

They also have other vendors.

Claude Opus is just remarkably good at analysis IMO, much better than any competitor I’ve tried. It was remarkably good and complete at helping me with some health issues I’ve had in the past few months. If you were to turn that kind of analytical power in a way to observe the behaviour of American citizens and to change it perhaps, to make them vote a certain way. Or something like - finding terrorists, finding patterns that help you identify undocumented people.

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

lesuorac wrote: post #442
_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

Regardless of the original contract, it's entirely appropriate for a vendor to tell the customer how to use any materials. Imagine a _leaded_ pipe supplier not being allowed to tell the department of war they shouldn't use leaded pipes for drinking water! It's the job of the vendor to tell the customer appropriate usage.

This is quite literally the norm for things with known dangerous use cases.

Go look at the package on a kitchen knife and it says not to be used as a weapon

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by merlindru »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #331
lukewrites wrote: post #6

I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for.

If you're a billionaire there's no risk to "sticking to principles", so there's nothing to admire. Also that's not what they're doing. These are calculated moves in a negotiation and the trump regime only has 3 years left. Even a CEO can think 4 years ahead. It's probably in Anthropic's interest to throw grok to these clowns and watch them fail to build anything with it for 3 years.

i disagree. 3 years is an insanely long time in the AI space. The entire industry pretty much didn't even exist three years ago! Or at least not within 4 orders of magnitude.

Also, every other company has bent the knee and kissed the ring. And the trump admin will absolutely do everything they can to not appear weak and harm Anthropic. If it was so easy to act principled, don't you think other companies would've refused too? Eg Apple

And there is real harm here. You're reading about it - they get labeled a supply chain risk. This is negative and very tangible

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Post by gambiting »

deliciousturkey wrote: post #137
deadbabe wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe doesn’t give a shit about another American company and their employees trying to dominate their markets and import their workaholic American culture. They will tell Anthropic to go home.

"Europe" is not a single entity with uniform opinions. As an European, I would much rather have hardworking people and """workaholic""" culture than regress to an underdeveloped culture fueled by laziness.

>>underdeveloped culture fueled by laziness

Which of the European cultures is "underdeveloped", exactly?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by dylan604 »

amarant wrote: post #432
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing this administration will be a lame duck in 8 months, and they know it.

"trump is definitely gonna lose the election" is a prediction I've heard many times. I know better than to trust it by now

At least twice. Luckily, that's the max number
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