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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by nullocator »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #509

Americans, where will you realize that the longer you wait, the worse it will get ? The whole country should be in the streets now. You guys are fast tracking your way into a dictatorship, and unfortunately you may drag the entire Western world with you. The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE of…

The unfortunate truth I think is that no matter how many people might be with this idea of just "rising up" and taking back the country, america is is fucking massive and many cities and towns there is no noticeable ice or border patrol presence. So even if you can get people out and protesting at some common meaningless locations its going to be symbolic at best.

If you want out-of-band change in the U.S. it will at minimum take some combination of three things:

- sustained weeks or months long protests in D.C.

- extreme social pressure on congress representatives no matter where they may be.

- state governments in rebellion or threatening it against the federal government.

I don't think we're particular close on any of these.

Otherwise tough luck, wait for the probably manipulated elections.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Can you imagine if other people hadn't been around filming what happened here and the murder of Renee Good? The Gov would completely cover it up, make the victims look like domestic terrorists, and we'd never be able to show the truth.

That's why Good and Pretti doing what they were doing -- observing and filming -- is so damn important, and why ICE will literally murder people, with the full backing of the Trump Administration, to stop it.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by insane_dreamer »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #476
thiht wrote: post #434

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But the MAGA cult will find yet another explanation that this man magically hurt the 4 ICE agents and they all ended up in a hospital somehow, or that carrying weapons with a permit is unacceptable if you vote democrat

> "Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene," DHS said. "The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement." https://www.foxnews.com/us/border-patrol-involved-shoo…

we can never trust a word coming out of DHS ever again

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by B1FIDO »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #487
B1FIDO wrote: post #295

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If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal. Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapo…

The man was a Veterans Administration ICU nurse who cared for sick veterans that was helping a woman that ICE pushed to the ground and then used chemical weapons on. There are quite a few doctors giving testimonials to this man's character at the VA. The right will tell you that an awful/chaotic world is one where a male ICU nurses helps a woman pushed to the ground and sprayed in the face with less lethal weapons by…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #496
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #474

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They passed the DHS funding. The day ICE executes a man in broad daylight by blowing his brains out from point-blank, they get an extra $10,000,000,000 in funding. America is a failed nation.

Did the Senate pass it? I think just the House did.

It's a simple majority and Republicans have 53 votes without defects. Every single Republican voted for it in Congress, so clearly today changes nothing at all. And 7 democrats even voted alongside them.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by nullocator »

SilverElfin wrote: post #492
nullocator wrote: post #183

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Possessing a fire arm and having an encounter with law enforcement in the united states has long been a death sentence. You can find a multitude of videos online of cops doing stuff like getting the wrong address and beating on someones door and when that person opens the door with a gun in their hand and then the cops open fire, happens all the time.

But this person did not even have a gun in his hand. He had a gun on him, concealed. In fact, the video shows another ICE agent walking up to him and digging it out and taking it away. The execution happened after all of that. The most likely situation is that he actually voluntarily told them that he has a firearm because he is a lawful gun owner with a concealed carry permit. Most gun owners know that this is the b…

Oh, I completely agree in addition to murdering this man they violated his second amendment rights and will continue to violate them in justifying his murder.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by SauciestGNU »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #546
SauciestGNU wrote: post #541

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He wasn't screaming at them, he was filming them and then later helping up someone else who had been assaulted by them. Not that it should matter, screaming at the feds is protected first amendment activity.

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I would probably not do that, but it's not illegal to carry a gun. Who knows if he set out to protest or if he just was in the area and spontaneously decided to record when he observed federal agents? He could be one of many Americans who carry a gun regularly. Maybe he didn't intend to do any protesting or anything at all.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by nullocator »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #521
starkparker wrote: post #115

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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

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I don't think the phrasing of "confront law enforcement" is right here, in a period of about 20 seconds he went from helping a woman who had been pushed, to maced in the face, to dead. This is not confrontation, you can literally see him clutching the woman he had previously been helping up in a panic after they were sprayed with chemicals.

But setting all of that aside (which is a big aside), even if he was confronting them with his camera while armed, the whole bullshit shtick of the second amendment is that being armed should not be a crime much less a death sentence. He did not brandish his weapon or threaten law enforcement in any of the half dozen videos that have been released so far. To be even more clear as a citizen you are allegedly supposed to be protected from summary execution/judgement with or without the possession of a firearm, in many legal circles the possession of a firearm grants you more protections under the law not less.

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #557
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #546

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I would probably not do that, but it's not illegal to carry a gun. Who knows if he set out to protest or if he just was in the area and spontaneously decided to record when he observed federal agents? He could be one of many Americans who carry a gun regularly. Maybe he didn't intend to do any protesting or anything at all.

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by supertimor »

mvdtnz wrote: post #470
dragontamer wrote: post #76

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> The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something. The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him. Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap ab…

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It’s pretty clear that the person assaulting the woman in the orange backpack was the ICE agent. The ICE agent forcefully pushes the woman to the ground and Alex Pretti gets in between them to protect her as the ICE agent pepper sprays both of them. Orange backpack tries to stand up but is continually pepper sprayed and Alex Pretti uses his body to block the spray and is pushed/slips back onto orange backpack. It then seems like he grabs hold of her to block the spray and tries to lift her from the ground before the agents grab hold of him and pulls her away. At that point, he’s still holding onto her so she gets dragged as well.
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