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"Christian Zionism"?
Yes Christian Zionism.
Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system
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Part of the issue is that it makes it more possible to launch a first strike attack without fear of suffering blows in retaliation, and gives one side of conflict the overmatch that enables leaders to start a conflict thinking they can win without repercussions
For the downvotes https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2023-09/features/delusions-a...
Missile defense doesn't really help much for mutually assured destruction scenarios, for Israel it makes more sense due most conflicts they are involved in being much more asymmetric.
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Sorry that happened to your family. The Zionist project has killed a lot of innocents. > 800k Jews were kicked out of middle eastern countries As a result of the creation of Israel. As for Jews killed or terrorized into leaving Baghdad: Israeli historian Avi Schliem (whose family fled Baghdad to Israel after the Baghdad bombings) says Iraqi Zionists were responsible for some of those bombings in his latest book. Fina…
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I’m saying the creation of Israel caused the expulsion of the Jews from the surrounding countries. No Israeli state, no expulsion.
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Alright, good luck with doing your own “research”. You’re in the same category of conspiracy theorists as MAGA. Nothing I can say will change your mind.
I'm not the one effectively denying the holocaust.
Every accusation is a confession.
You’re not “effectively” denying it. You’re just denying it.
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No problem, include him. Also include Norm Finklestein and watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman.
> Also include Norm Finklestein Why would he be one of the New Historians? Norman Finkelstein isn't really even a historian, he's more of a activist/political scientist if anything AFAIU. > watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman. I've seen it, it's pretty clear if you dig into the facts that the accusations of genocide against Israel are not supported by the evidence. It's also quite clear that people like Norman F…
Even a cursory search of spending 5 minutes on their academic careers would have given you a better understanding of who the better scholar is.
Of course Benny Morris takes a more balanced view. He’s trying hard to make up for the imbalance.
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CIWS is big but this has nothing to do with it -- it's actually easier to make a small turret, and small arms precision has been well understood for a long time. Put a 6.5mm Creedmoor on a computer controlled turret -- 6.5mm Creedmoor is generally accepted to be usable to 1km or more. Range is limited in urban environments because of obstructions -- even the range of CIWS is far too great to be useful. There hasn't b…
Range due to obstacles is greatly overcome with altitude. My point about the 13yo is that -you- think it is unworkable, but a country that doesn't mind the word 'genocide' thinks it is a fine definition. Camera tech quickly went this route right? 'you could mount that camera but we haven't done it and therefor won't' turned into multiple cameras covering every square inch of a city from multiple angles once the tech…
I don't think there is a clear argument that it isn't realistic to be done from a technology standpoint -- in other words, I don't think this laser meaningfully changes things from a capabilities standpoint. The necessary miniaturization and precision are available.
Now, you may think I have the facts wrong, here -- that we haven't had the kind of precise turret before, or that we can't deliver small arms ammunition with great precision -- but you don't come out and say that: you haven't said I have bad facts.
If we accept that the technical capabilities have been there for a while, then we need another explanation for what the hold up is. I have offered an alternative, which is that it comes down to doctrine or operational issues -- it's not easy to see how to deploy a weapon system that automatically targets people without creating huge practical problems. I offered two concrete cases in my earlier comment. Here again, you haven't really spoken to them: you haven't said, for example, A is not a problem and here's why not. You have just ignored them.
It is really starting to look like you have a story and you are sticking to it.
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I can both dislike the Israeli government and want for the Israeli population to be protected against missile and drone attacks. I can both dislike Hamas and want for Palestine to be free. Is it that hard for you to imagine that people just want to be safe? This is not a football match where you pick a side and then hate on the other side! Stop doing that! These are real people. If groups shoot stuff at Israel of cou…
Everyone wants peace and safety on their own terms. It's not a virtue to remove all context from your analysis of the situation. The overwhelming majority of Isealis want to maintain a system of violent apartheid that benefits them explicitly based on their ethnicity, and be insulated from any consequences. Some of them might be sad about the war crimes their army commits in a daily basis, but almost none are doing a…
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#558Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…
Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
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> Also include Norm Finklestein Why would he be one of the New Historians? Norman Finkelstein isn't really even a historian, he's more of a activist/political scientist if anything AFAIU. > watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman. I've seen it, it's pretty clear if you dig into the facts that the accusations of genocide against Israel are not supported by the evidence. It's also quite clear that people like Norman F…
Even a cursory search of spending 5 minutes on their academic careers would have given you a better understanding of who the better scholar is. Of course Benny Morris takes a more balanced view. He’s trying hard to make up for the imbalance.
> Even a cursory search of spending 5 minutes on their academic careers would have given you a better understanding of who the better scholar is.
Yeah, one is a real historian and the other calls a Holocaust denier "a very good historian"[0].
> Of course Benny Morris takes a more balanced view. He’s trying hard to make up for the imbalance.
Maybe neutral is a better word, Benny Morris is certainly much less of an activist than someone like Norman Finkelstein.
[0] https://www.thejc.com/news/norman-finkelstein-praises-holoca...
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I'm not the one effectively denying the holocaust.
Every accusation is a confession. You’re not “effectively” denying it. You’re just denying it.
> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible.
You stated what Israel is doing is as "equally vile and reprehensible" as the holocaust, this is an absolutely insane comparison.
The Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, they wiped out something like half the worldwide population of Jews...on the other hand during the Israeli occupation the Palestinian population over the years has increased drastically.
The holocaust has very little in common with the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and one certainly can't realistically claim Israel doesn't have the military means to exterminate the Palestinians if they wanted to either. Israel clearly doesn't have that sort of genocidal intent towards Palestinians. You can probably make an argument that some of the more extremist elements in Israel want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians but that's not remotely equivalent to the holocaust.
By making this comparison you're effectively denying the holocaust by downplaying it and saying it's somehow equivalent to the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Making this comparison is a well known antisemitic trope.